Will the Federal Government force NCAAF rule changes?

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therealUT said:
The AD had been subsidized by both the state and the school for at least the past decade.
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Nope.

The athletics department at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, receives no state funding, and its budget is separate from the academic budget. No tax dollars are involved in the UT Knoxville athletics budget. The athletics department operates in a highly competitive environment and makes decisions in consideration of competition at the highest levels while maintaining profitability.

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GreveHaller said:
Nope.

The athletics department at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, receives no state funding, and its budget is separate from the academic budget. No tax dollars are involved in the UT Knoxville athletics budget. The athletics department operates in a highly competitive environment and makes decisions in consideration of competition at the highest levels while maintaining profitability.

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That is nice and well, but the financial reports state the contrary (and have stated the contrary for quite a while now).

NCAA college athletics department finances database
 
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GreveHaller said:
Nope.

The athletics department at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, receives no state funding, and its budget is separate from the academic budget. No tax dollars are involved in the UT Knoxville athletics budget. The athletics department operates in a highly competitive environment and makes decisions in consideration of competition at the highest levels while maintaining profitability.

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I also like how you have cited an answer from 2009, a year in which the UTAD received almost $12 million in subsidies from the state.
 
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therealUT said:
I also like how you have cited an answer from 2009, a year in which the UTAD received almost $12 million in subsidies from the state.
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you can take it up with UT then. That's what they put on their website so if you have a problem with it then you deal with it.
 
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GreveHaller said:
you can take it up with UT then. That's what they put on their website so if you have a problem with it then you deal with it.
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I don't have to take it up with anyone. Their website is not subject to State and Federal auditing like their financial reports are. They can put whatever BS they want on their websites so that individuals continue to drink the Orange Kool-Aid. The financial reports show that the UTAD is not self-sustaining, that the UTAD received state funding to the tune of over $45 million over the past five years, and still receives at least a 1% subsidy from the government every year.
 
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therealUT said:
I don't have to take it up with anyone. Their website is not subject to State and Federal auditing like their financial reports are. They can put whatever BS they want on their websites so that individuals continue to drink the Orange Kool-Aid. The financial reports show that the UTAD is not self-sustaining, that the UTAD received state funding to the tune of over $45 million over the past five years, and still receives at least a 1% subsidy from the government every year.
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UT Official: No State Money for Athletics

No academic funding or state money will be used to bail out the University of Tennessee athletics department should sagging ticket sales and the cost of a multimillion-dollar coaching change cause another budget deficit, officials tell the News Sentinel.

"We've made a strong statement that we're not using state funds to backfill athletics," said Chris Cimino, vice chancellor of finance. "We've done all we're going to do."
Posted by Tom Humphrey on December 13, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Archives for University of Tennessee | Humphrey on the Hill | knoxnews.com

Yet more proof. Yawn. So you got a link or is it just your guess?
 
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GreveHaller said:
UT Official: No State Money for Athletics

No academic funding or state money will be used to bail out the University of Tennessee athletics department should sagging ticket sales and the cost of a multimillion-dollar coaching change cause another budget deficit, officials tell the News Sentinel.

"We've made a strong statement that we're not using state funds to backfill athletics," said Chris Cimino, vice chancellor of finance. "We've done all we're going to do."
Posted by Tom Humphrey on December 13, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Archives for University of Tennessee | Humphrey on the Hill | knoxnews.com

Yet more proof. Yawn. So you got a link or is it just your guess?
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I already provided a link that encompasses data from all the financial reports UT has filed since FY2006. They receive a 1% subsidy directly from the State and they received $5M, $6M, $12M, $11M, and $12M from the school in 06, 07, 08, 09, and 10, respectively. The FY2012 financial reports are not available yet. Maybe the UTAD went without any subsidies in this fiscal year (I highly doubt it, though).
 
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By the way, Greve, just out of curiosity, what does this article have to do with negating any assertions that the UTAD receives any money from the State or the school? In case you forgot what your own article said, I will repost it in full:

No academic funding or state money will be used to bail out the University of Tennessee athletics department should sagging ticket sales and the cost of a multimillion-dollar coaching change cause another budget deficit, officials tell the News Sentinel.

"We've made a strong statement that we're not using state funds to backfill athletics," said Chris Cimino, vice chancellor of finance. "We've done all we're going to do."

Last month, the school announced a three-year, $18 million reprieve in donations the athletics department makes to student scholarships, fellowships and discretionary academic funds.

In the meantime, the department is facing as much as $9.4 million to buy out former head football coach Derek Dooley and his staff, another $18.2 million over six years in salary for new coach Butch Jones, $3 million annually for new assistant football coaches and another $1.4 million to buy out Jones' contract at the University of Cincinnati. Last year, the department reported a $4 million shortfall in its nearly $100 million annual budget.

"While it's too early to state the exact situation 6½ months from now, our revenues and expenses are on par with what we expected at this point," UT athletics department spokesman Jimmy Stanton said in a statement, referring to June budget projections.

To cut costs, 17 layoffs were announced in April as part of the consolidation of the women's and men's athletic departments. The changes resulted in a $2.5 million saving.
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Rockytop1018 said:
Policing a game between some of the most physical guys in the world is quite pointless.
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Maybe. How soon do college athletics grind to a halt once the Federal Government opts not to place anymore money into institutions which receive Federal money?

Seeing how only seven D-I public university athletic departments (LSU, Nebraska, tOSU, OU, PSU, Purdue, and Texas) do not receive subsidies from the State, I would say that college athletics would shut down quite rapidly (the loss of the Federal money would force States to reallocate State money to the academic side of the house, thus not being as able to subsidize their athletic departments).
 
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therealUT said:
By the way, Greve, just out of curiosity, what does this article have to do with negating any assertions that the UTAD receives any money from the State or the school? In case you forgot what your own article said, I will repost it in full:
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I can only remember one time where the academic side gave money to the AD and that was with Buzz's buyout. That was a loan that was paid back.

Where is the article you quoted saying they give money to the UTAD?
 
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utvolpj said:
I can only remember one time where the academic side gave money to the AD and that was with Buzz's buyout. That was a loan that was paid back.

Where is the article you quoted saying they give money to the UTAD?
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he's got nothing except conspiracy theories. No proof, all talk. Maybe he can assert that the new Science and Engineering Research Facility was really built to house the remnants of the Area 51 alien or how Sophies was actually shut down because they found mind controlling chemicals in the food. :crazy:
 
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utvolpj said:
I can only remember one time where the academic side gave money to the AD and that was with Buzz's buyout. That was a loan that was paid back.

Where is the article you quoted saying they give money to the UTAD?
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Post #27. Scroll down to Tennessee and you will see school funds and subsidies as part of the AD's revenue.
 
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GreveHaller said:
he's got nothing except conspiracy theories. No proof, all talk. Maybe he can assert that the new Science and Engineering Research Facility was really built to house the remnants of the Area 51 alien or how Sophies was actually shut down because they found mind controlling chemicals in the food. :crazy:
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If you do not want to click on the link I provided that is your own fault. There are very few D-I ADs across the country (seven public) that do not receive revenue and subsidies from the academic side of the house and the State; according to the accumulated financial reports, UT is not one of those seven.
 
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golfballs said:
I believe that "subsidy" is the student activity fee. Not funding from tax payers
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1. Since the HOPE Scholarship was instituted, many student activity fees have been funded by taxpayers.

2. That still does not account for the $45M over five years that came from the school.
 
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therealUT said:
1. Since the HOPE Scholarship was instituted, many student activity fees have been funded by taxpayers.

2. That still does not account for the $45M over five years that came from the school.
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Does federal money fund the hope scholarship?

If the AD were to eliminate whatever federal dollars were funneled their way (assuming there were any) it would be relatively minor. I would be shocked if a significant amount of that $45M is federal dollars. The AD could trim 5% of it's revenue and be ok.

I think there need to be more detail of what the "school funds" are and where the money is coming from to assume that it's federal money.
 
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Plus, federal funds at this level are non-discretionary. They don't go into a general slush-fund which could be distributed to the football team.
 
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golfballs said:
Does federal money fund the hope scholarship?
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No, but it does fund ROTC Scholarships (and, thus, some student activity fees) and other scholarships that cover tuition and all fees.

golfballs said:
If the AD were to eliminate whatever federal dollars were funneled their way (assuming there were any) it would be relatively minor. I would be shocked if a significant amount of that $45M is federal dollars. The AD could trim 5% of it's revenue and be ok.
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The Federal Government will simply argue that federal money on the academic side allows the academic side to allocate funds to the athletic department that otherwise would have been used on the academic side. And, then they will have standing (also, that $45M probably includes Federal Work-Study grants, as well).

golfballs said:
I think there need to be more detail of what the "school funds" are and where the money is coming from to assume that it's federal money.
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As stated above, so long as there exists federal money in the institution, the Federal Government will claim standing in any allocation of funds.
 
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