Will we ever have another kick return or pic

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RDU VOL#14 said:
Don't forget the dramatic letting of the clock run out by Dooley versus Mizzou to go to OT. Possibly the worst game management I've ever seen.
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Yeah, we were on a roll late in that game. It's a shame that we didn't go for it , given the success of our last 2 possessions. Bray completed one of his last 5 passes for zero yards, almost threw an interception, and we had one run for one yard.

We were on our own 39, and it was 3rd down. Dooley did not run out the clock on either 1st or 2nd down. We had one more chance before 4th down, and a possible punt block.

Given the fact that the offense was completely and totally impotent, and showed no life whatsoever , barely getting one yard in 5 previous plays, Dooley chose to try to make it to overtime, instead of giving up the ball with time remaining. What difference, at this point, does it make?
 
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Unless OP is suggesting the end of college football due to all the craziness with the lawsuits and unions, I will give an emphatic yes, we will. Even on the last play of the game yes this could easily happen over the next decade, pic in OT, kr at start of 4th no more points rest of the game, yes that will happen. Could happen a number of other ways too, Hail Mary, long run stuck under the shadows of our goal posts. Hell I would even consider it exciting to finally effectively run a 4 minute drill, Dooley could not do that at all. or the oponent going for it on 4 & 1 and being stuffed, or little time left opponent pushing with no TOs left, and we get a sack. Yes it will happen. It may not happen this year or next but it will. SOON!
 
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molsen81 said:
I'll have to search some video logs but the last KR for TD I remember seeing is Leonard Scott against UGA. I don't think Donte Stallworth ever returned one back but he came close a few times.
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Are you talkin in general or game winner? CP had a KR for touchdown against miss st I believe
 
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1972 Grad said:
Yeah, we were on a roll late in that game. It's a shame that we didn't go for it , given the success of our last 2 possessions. Bray completed one of his last 5 passes for zero yards, almost threw an interception, and we had one run for one yard.

We were on our own 39, and it was 3rd down. Dooley did not run out the clock on either 1st or 2nd down. We had one more chance before 4th down, and a possible punt block.

Given the fact that the offense was completely and totally impotent, and showed no life whatsoever , barely getting one yard in 5 previous plays, Dooley chose to try to make it to overtime, instead of giving up the ball with time remaining. What difference, at this point, does it make?
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People commented on past games that's why I commented. It doesn't make a difference now. It's a discussion. You can try to justify that end of game management all you want, I won't agree with you. It was piss poor. We resorted to a fake fg in overtime because our D was so bad, but not trying to win in regulation was the smart play?

We scored 48 and lost. That's all I need to back up my argument. BTW shouldn't your screen name be 1990 UVA grad?
 
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TVA said:
Which is more important, an exciting game or a win? Pushing 80, I'd much rather enjoy a comfortable win than experience a heart attack. If a Vol win isn't enough for you, take a Xanax. The General's style of winning would have bored you to death.
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I got bored just by reading this post :eek:lol:
 
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molsen81 said:
I'll have to search some video logs but the last KR for TD I remember seeing is Leonard Scott against UGA. I don't think Donte Stallworth ever returned one back but he came close a few times.
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CP says watch his highlights.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
People commented on past games that's why I commented. It doesn't make a difference now. It's a discussion. You can try to justify that end of game management all you want, I won't agree with you. It was piss poor. We resorted to a fake fg in overtime because our D was so bad, but not trying to win in regulation was the smart play?

We scored 48 and lost. That's all I need to back up my argument. BTW shouldn't your screen name be 1990 UVA grad?
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I think that the running out the clock was playing not to lose in regulation, because Bray slipped in neffective role with the game on the line. We would have lost either way.

What you are dismissing is that Dooley did try to win in regulation on both first and second down. If he had tried to take a knee on first and second, I would be the first to agree. It seems to me that one of those 2 plays was a swing pass that came very close to being intercepted.

After looking at failure, after failure, after failure, after failure, after failure on the previous 5 plays, he decided to basically give the team some time to get it together. They never did. Read this again. WE would have lost either way. Argue that.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
For a td that will win us a ball game? Do we have those types of players? Carolina was a big win last season, but there wasn't much drama. We are due to upset someone with a game changing play.
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I don't think so, at least not before the season starts, then all bets are off.:dance2:
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Jones may be our Moses, or just another Dooley. Time will tell.
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We were in bad shape when coach Jones took over, we were in the worst shape talent wise as I seen in 40 plus years as fan, we are still 2 years from reaching the top, a lot of the young fans were spoiled by the coach that could not coach and is in the HALL OF FAME .:ermm:
 
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terrypedigo said:
We were in bad shape when coach Jones took over, we were in the worst shape talent wise as I seen in 40 plus years as fan, we are still 2 years from reaching the top, a lot of the young fans were spoiled by the coach that could not coach and is in the HALL OF FAME .:ermm:
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Very well said. The fans that grew up in the 90s thought it would always be like that. I suffered 12 straight losses to Bama as a kid, so I knew we were witnessing history. Makes me sick that we fired the man that created unrealistic expectations.:clapping:
 
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1972 Grad said:
I think that the running out the clock was playing not to lose in regulation, because Bray slipped in neffective role with the game on the line. We would have lost either way.

What you are dismissing is that Dooley did try to win in regulation on both first and second down. If he had tried to take a knee on first and second, I would be the first to agree. It seems to me that one of those 2 plays was a swing pass that came very close to being intercepted.

After looking at failure, after failure, after failure, after failure, after failure on the previous 5 plays, he decided to basically give the team some time to get it together. They never did. Read this again. WE would have lost either way. Argue that.
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I get what you are saying, but I was suggesting that if I could keep my D off the field, I would.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I get what you are saying, but I was suggesting that if I could keep my D off the field, I would.
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And I understand what you are saying. Either way could have worked or blown up in his face. After going over the play by play, I think that I understand why Dooley chose to run out the clock, while not saying it was the right or wrong decision.

First of all, Palardy was the kicker. This was not the 2013 Palardy. This was the 2012 Palardy. His longest field goal of 2012 was 38 yards. He missed almost 30% of his kicks from 30-39 yards and made nothing over 40 the entire year. Dooley didn't let him try much over 40. In fact, he had already missed a 43 yarder with 1:03 left in the 1st quarter of that game.

Secondly, people say that we scored 48 points or whatever it was. The fact is that we led 21-7 at the half, and only scored 7 points in the 2nd half. It was tied at 28 at the end of regulation.

In the 3rd quarter we gained 89 yards, and scored 7 points on possessions of 31, 30, and 28 yards. Our lone score was after taking over on the Missouri 30 yard line.

In the 4th quarter, we also had 3 possessions. We gained a total of 33 yards. First possession, 32 yards and a punt. Second possession, 1 yard and a punt. That brings us to the third possession. We gained zero yards on 2 plays.

At this point, there was time for a 3rd down play needing 10 yards for a first, and then a punt if we threw an incomplete pass, which would have left time on the clock for Missouri, who clearly had the momentum.

Realistically, we needed to gain about 40 yards to get into makeable field goal range for 2012 Palardy. That would have been more yards than we had gained in the entire 4th quarter.

So, second half, we had 122 yards on 6 possessions, and gained 1 yard on our last 5 plays in the game, and needed 40 yards in about 30 some seconds and 1 timeout, to get into range of 2012 Palardy.

I understand why he played for overtime. If he had gambled, thrown incomplete and punted back to Missouri, or had thrown an interception and lost in regulation, the fans would be calling him dumb for trying to score.
 
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This thread has it all, folks.

People defending Dooley and Fulmer in here.

Wow, what a grand display.
 
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DC Vol said:
This thread has it all, folks.

People defending Dooley and Fulmer in here.

Wow, what a grand display.
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I said that "I understood why he played for overtime." I did not say that he was the best football coach of all time. There is a difference you know.
 
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Drama in the past 5 seasons? Plenty

Which way has the majority of the drama gone? The other team's way

F Drama
 
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