william ayers and hugo chaves concerning education.

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What does Barack Obama have in common with Osama Bin Laden?

they both know someone who tried to blow up the Pentagon.
 
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LG will be along at any moment to tell you:

1) He does not mean what he says

and/or

2) Obama knows nothing of this Ayers man
 
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See: Monty Python and the Holy Grail, The Science of Detecting Witches.

I'd say your logic is on par with theirs.
 
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lawgator1 said:
See: Monty Python and the Holy Grail, The Science of Detecting Witches.

I'd say your logic is on par with theirs.
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You don't see Ayers' ideas on education disturbing?

The education of peace has failed, it's time to teach revolution (paraphrased)! Considering his past and his recent statements he didn't do enough I find these statements pretty significant.
 
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KB5252 said:
You don't see Ayers' ideas on education disturbing?

The education of peace has failed, it's time to teach revolution (paraphrased)! Considering his past and his recent statements he didn't do enough I find these statements pretty significant.
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Yes, Ayers is a loon.

Your logic appears to be that Obama has hung out with him and served on some boards with him and attended some meeting at his house and that therefore, he is a witch.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yes, Ayers is a loon.

Your logic appears to be that Obama has hung out with him and served on some boards with him and attended some meeting at his house and that therefore, he is a witch.
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And your logic is no connection should be made, and there shouldn't be questions about whether he's a radical or not. Brilliant!
 
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Anybody who thinks Chavez is doing something good for the Venezuelans please stop by my office. I have some land and stock I would like to sell you....:)
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yes, Ayers is a loon.

Your logic appears to be that Obama has hung out with him and served on some boards with him and attended some meeting at his house and that therefore, he is a witch.
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I was skeptical of Obama's claims that he and Ayers just served on a board together.

The fact that Obama seems to have backed Ayers educational programs should make everyone stop and think. Especially since Obama, along with Pelosi will set the agenda for the rest of the country, including education.

Obama has made poor choices as far as the people he surrounds himself are concerned. I don't think there is any debating this point. It just makes me wonder will those same bad choices be made in critical cabinet or policy making decisions?
 
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KB5252 said:
I was skeptical of Obama's claims that he and Ayers just served on a board together.

The fact that Obama seems to have backed Ayers educational programs should make everyone stop and think. Especially since Obama, along with Pelosi will set the agenda for the rest of the country, including education.

Obama has made poor choices as far as the people he surrounds himself are concerned. I don't think there is any debating this point. It just makes me wonder will those same bad choices be made in critical cabinet or policy making decisions?
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KB, the same can be said for McCain. Just look at his choice for VP.
 
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onevolfan said:
KB, the same can be said for McCain. Just look at his choice for VP.
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how do you even compare Palin to the people Obama surrounds himself with? Please give an explain this, don't just say it, and have nothing to back it up with. No offense but it just shows that some people do zero research before they start talking
 
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onevolfan said:
KB, the same can be said for McCain. Just look at his choice for VP.
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She has been a very successful governor, a reformer who has the support of the vast majority of that states population. I can see where some might think she doesn't have the experience needed but if that is your measuring stick you wouldn't support Obama for those same reasons. Pailin has a track record as a reformer and a leader in her state. Obama does not have that same track record, in fact there is less to go on with him. I don't even feel the need to go into who has more experience, it is a dead end argument that will only go round in circles.
 
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I don't have to do "research" to know that Palin was not a good choice for VP. She has proved that herself.
 
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onevolfan said:
I don't have to do "research" to know that Palin was not a good choice for VP. She has proved that herself.
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When evaluating a politician do you go by deeds or words.

Personally I will take words for what they are worth, absolutely nothing. Every presidential candidate I can ever remember has promised this or that and can't deliver. Past actions can give you a lot better insight into what you are buying as far as candidates go.

Bottom line is Pailin has a track record (very popular with the public in Alaska) and Obama does not. The best argument that can be made for him is that he voted no to the war in Iraq, which was the wrong choice at the time based on the intelligence given at the time. Now you can argue the point that the intelligence proved faulty but Obama did not know that at the time and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is full of it. Do you think "someone in the know" would tell a jr. member information that they would not tell a high ranking member? No, they wouldn't.

When it comes to bad decisions any perceived bad decision by McCain in picking Pailin pales in comparison to the many poor choices in friends, mentors, and political allies Obama has made. Poor decision making usually means bad choice for the job.
 
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KB5252 said:
When evaluating a politician do you go by deeds or words.

Personally I will take words for what they are worth, absolutely nothing. Every presidential candidate I can ever remember has promised this or that and can't deliver. Past actions can give you a lot better insight into what you are buying as far as candidates go.

Bottom line is Pailin has a track record (very popular with the public in Alaska) and Obama does not. The best argument that can be made for him is that he voted no to the war in Iraq, which was the wrong choice at the time based on the intelligence given at the time. Now you can argue the point that the intelligence proved faulty but Obama did not know that at the time and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is full of it. Do you think "someone in the know" would tell a jr. member information that they would not tell a high ranking member? No, they wouldn't.

When it comes to bad decisions any perceived bad decision by McCain in picking Pailin pales in comparison to the many poor choices in friends, mentors, and political allies Obama has made. Poor decision making usually means Palin for the job.
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Maybe he's just more intelligent than you give him credit for. :birgits_giggle::p

fyp :)
 
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i do research, i find out what they stand for, etc. to me i try to find someone i line up morally with. to be honest, i'm not a big fan of mccain. here's the first issue i look at. where do they stand on pro life/pro choice? the fact that Obama doesn't know when life begins bothers me a lot. to be honest obama has said many times during the past few months he "doesn't know" about a lot of things.

of course the tax issue is big. then how about energy? the fact that dem's aren't for drilling here is something i disagree with. then you also have to look at their stance on the war. and so on and so on.

what is it that you like about obama onevolfan?
 
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KB5252 said:
The best argument that can be made for him is that he voted no to the war in Iraq, which was the wrong choice at the time based on the intelligence given at the time. Now you can argue the point that the intelligence proved faulty but Obama did not know that at the time and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is full of it. Do you think "someone in the know" would tell a jr. member information that they would not tell a high ranking member? No, they wouldn't.
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I would say it was the wrong choice based on the cherrypicked intelligence at the time. Unless Bob Woodward and Ron Suskinds books are a complete fabrication, the administration manipulated the intelligence to paint a picture to garner support for their agenda. 9-11 provided just enough support to where nobody was really going to question it, or have the political courage to stand up against it. Colin Powell realized this and decided to jump ship after Bush's first term. Al Quada links, WMD's, and terrorism support were either flat out false, or exaggerated.

It wasn't just Obama either, 123 Representatives and and 23 Senators also voted against the resolution. It doesn't take a psychic to say "Wait a minute, we aren't even done in Afghanistan yet, Bin Laden hasn't been killed, and this intelligence doesn't add up." No one could have proved the intelligence was faulty, but they could have realized it doesn't make any sense. Iraq was on this administration's agenda from day one, 9-11 gave them the support they needed. It was not much unlike this bail out bill....take a crisis, throw together some scary information, and get it passed before any real hearings or investigations can be completed.
 
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