wisconsin taking on gov unions.

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I don't understand why public employee unions are

a) necessary
b) allowed to exist.
 
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the unions didn't do themselves any favors by taking a day off to go protest in favor of being paid more.
 
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sjt18 said:
Some states including TN are "right to work" states. IIRC, Wisconsin is not.
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I understand that and like the idea, just dint know how the govt can tell its employees they can't unionize.
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we just need to take the politicians out of the union contracts end. hire an outside 3rd party. the confict of interest is ridiculous.
 
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droski said:
we just need to take the politicians out of the union contracts end. hire an outside 3rd party. the confict of interest is ridiculous.
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Much better yet, give parents vouchers and let them choose who and how their children are educated.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I understand that and like the idea, just dint know how the govt can tell its employees they can't unionize.
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I believe the public education system should be privatized. In fact, that is THE one most important thing that needs to be done. As long as gov't controls schools... gov't has too much power to influence and indoctrinate.

However in the current scheme, you wouldn't be telling them they couldn't unionize. You would just legalize those who chose not to strike and enable districts to permanently replace teachers who did not return to work when called.
 
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I like how Reagan dealt with public employee unions that felt they were above the law.
 
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the public union problem is that they can vote management out if management doesn't give into their demands. It's ridiculous.
 
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Another option would be to change the law so that the teacher's unions themselves become private companies that would have to then bid to get the business.
 
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It's a good thing the democrats in the Wisconsin legislature are acting like adults here. I mean, fleeing the state to avoid a vote would be seen as petty and cowardly, wouldn't it?
 
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MG1968 said:
It's a good thing the democrats in the Wisconsin legislature are acting like adults here. I mean, fleeing the state to avoid a vote would be seen as petty and cowardly, wouldn't it?
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only if republicans were doing it. since its the libs doing it, it should be clear that this is the right thing to do
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
only if republicans were doing it. since its the libs doing it, it should be clear that this is the right thing to do
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yes, because nothing says "I'm fighting for you, the little people" better than skipping town and hiding in a closet somewhere in Illinois.
 
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Our newly elected Democratic Governor has told the state unions to either accept some scale backs, or expect layoffs.
 
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I normally try to be very civil here and very respectful of others' views. But I will take a stand here. Unions have problems. I get it. I know that 99% of the posters here are strict corporatists, and I will get flamed. Oh well, that's life. Some things are worth standing up for.

Having said that, if you think that corporations can't trample a person's freedom and liberties as much as if not moreso than a government (which one can vote out of office, I might add) one of two things are going on: 1. You don't know the history of the Industrial Revolution or 2. You are smoking crack. Pullman Towns, paying in company script, etc are not fairy tales conjured up by union bosses to scare people. Read The Story of American Freedom by Eric Foner if you want to read about the many struggles for American freedom.

I read an article today that stated that middle class incomes over the last 40 years have went from $33,000/yr to $30,000/yr (adjusted for inflation). All the while, the wages of the top earners increased 25-30%. I am not a believer in wealth redistribution. I do believe that a healthy vibrant middle class is the litmus test for the nation. Not much vibrancy or healthiness in the middle class these days. An oligarchy is as undesirable as an absolute despot. As the superhero says, 'Flame on!"
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JayVols said:
I normally try to be very civil here and very respectful of others' views. But I will take a stand here. Unions have problems. I get it. I know that 99% of the posters here are strict corporatists, and I will get flamed. Oh well, that's life. Some things are worth standing up for.

Having said that, if you think that corporations can't trample a person's freedom and liberties as much as if not moreso than a government (which one can vote out of office, I might add) one of two things are going on: 1. You don't know the history of the Industrial Revolution or 2. You are smoking crack. Pullman Towns, paying in company script, etc are not fairytales conjured up by union bosses to scare people. Read The Story of American Freedom by Eric Foner if you want to read about the many struggles for American freedom.

I read an article today that stated that middle class incomes over the last 40 years have went from $33,000/yr to $30,000/yr (adjusted for inflation). All the while, the wages of the top earners increased 25-30%. I am not a believer in wealth redistribution. I do believe that a healthy vibrant middle class is the litmus test for the nation. Not much vibrancy or healthiness in the middle class these days. An oligarchy is as undesirable as an absolute despot. As the superhero says, 'Flame on!"
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Here here. :hi:
 
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