With all the Reverend Wright crap clogging up the airwaves

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It was reported in an Ottawa newspaper last week that Obama had no pride in the United States of America and this was evidenced by the fact that he did not wear an American flag pin on his coat lapel.

I do not pay any attention to the man so I've never noticed. Does he ever wear an American flag?
 
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emainvol said:
I find it rather amazing that out of 20 years worth of sermons, they found about 3 minutes of sound clips.
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but the story didn't become the killer it is today until Wright helped everyone out by providing several hours of uninterrupted garbage earlier this week.
 
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emainvol said:
The television media isn't touching it, it would be nice to see someone actually take a stab at this.
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Perhaps because it is a non story. As stated earlier their relationship is in no way similar to Obama and Wrights.

I think you should blame Wright. He keeps jumping in front of every camera.
 
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MontereyVol said:
Not quite sure what you're driving at here? But this issue should be put to rest or its going to blow up in the attackers face.
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My sarcasm is driving at what you just said in the bold. I guarantee Obama wants no more talk of this issue. If it were truly going to blow up in McCain's face then Obama would be all for it continuing.
 
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Oh...... gotcha

If there ever becomes a backlash, I think the it is going to go either to Hillary for constantly bringing it up or Wright for getting more mental by the day.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
but the story didn't become the killer it is today until Wright helped everyone out by providing several hours of uninterrupted garbage earlier this week.
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Obama needs Wright to shut the hell up.

I'm not so sure that Wright really wants Obama to win the Democratic nomination or the general election. If Obama fails, it helps validate what Wright has been preaching...that a black man can't prosper in white America.
 
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I've seen the Hagee stuff mentioned but not nearly as much.

Most of the reasons cited already probably explain it.

A few more points to explain it:

Obama is an unknown. In the absence of direct evidence of his values in action people are looking for indicators of the man's character. As a result, he is more open to this type of thing than either HC or JM.

Wright's comments include what some consider to be anti-USA and radical (the AIDS thing, the damn America, the KKK of America). Since Obama is unknown and running for leader of the country, it hits more closely to concerns about his views of America.

Finally, Obama's message is bridging racial and other differences. That's reason to vote for him. Evidence that his pastor is a racist has a bigger contradictory effect on his message than does McCain being associated with a racist/hater. It seems less congruent with the core message and is amplified since we don't have other evidence to judge Obama on.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
Obama needs Wright to shut the hell up.

I'm not so sure that Wright really wants Obama to win the Democratic nomination or the general election. If Obama fails, it helps validate what Wright has been preaching...that a black man can't prosper in white America.
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I disagree, I want them both to keep on talking.:)
 
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MontereyVol said:
I think the media and RNC are overplaying this. By the time the general election starts up this is going to annoy people that it keeps being talked about.
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They aren't overplaying it. The fact that Wright feels the need to step behind an mic and open his mouth every two days is what is driving the story. If Wright shuts up, the story will die faster...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They aren't overplaying it. The fact that Wright feels the need to step behind an mic and open his mouth every two days is what is driving the story. If Wright shuts up, the story will die faster...
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:yes:
 
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it sure did take Obama a long time to reject Wright don't you think? i think him rejecting Wright is just something to make people think he disagrees.
 
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If Wright would quit running off at the mouth with his crap it would not clog up the air waves.
 
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volinbham said:
I've seen the Hagee stuff mentioned but not nearly as much.

Most of the reasons cited already probably explain it.

A few more points to explain it:

Obama is an unknown. In the absence of direct evidence of his values in action people are looking for indicators of the man's character. As a result, he is more open to this type of thing than either HC or JM.

Wright's comments include what some consider to be anti-USA and radical (the AIDS thing, the damn America, the KKK of America). Since Obama is unknown and running for leader of the country, it hits more closely to concerns about his views of America.

Finally, Obama's message is bridging racial and other differences. That's reason to vote for him. Evidence that his pastor is a racist has a bigger contradictory effect on his message than does McCain being associated with a racist/hater. It seems less congruent with the core message and is amplified since we don't have other evidence to judge Obama on.
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You may be interested in this perspective:

newsobserver.com | Getting personal

In particular, this quote:

In a 1951 U.S. Supreme Court case concerning a government employee alleged to have been a member of a "disloyal organization," Justice William O. Douglas condemned what he called the "technique" of guilt by association, referring to it as "one of the most odious institutions of history." Guilt under our American system, according to Justice Douglas, is personal. Indeed, in Douglas' words, "when we make guilt vicarious we borrow from systems alien to ours and ape our enemies."
 
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TennNC said:
You may be interested in this perspective:

newsobserver.com | Getting personal

In particular, this quote:

In a 1951 U.S. Supreme Court case concerning a government employee alleged to have been a member of a "disloyal organization," Justice William O. Douglas condemned what he called the "technique" of guilt by association, referring to it as "one of the most odious institutions of history." Guilt under our American system, according to Justice Douglas, is personal. Indeed, in Douglas' words, "when we make guilt vicarious we borrow from systems alien to ours and ape our enemies."
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Good call.........

I shouldn't be related with any thing with regards to the Kentucky State Militia because I fished on their former commanders property!

:)
 
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allvol123 said:
OK. But the fact remains this guy is so dumb/egotistical, that he not only took the bait but he took it and made the situation even worse than it first appeared. So I question, how exactly did this man's ideas elude Obama for 20 years?
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They didn't. Obama's book, The Audacity of Hope is based on the wack job's sermons. Obama certainly got the message Wright was preaching.

"A white man's greed, runs a world in need."
 
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JZVOL said:
They didn't. Obama's book, The Audacity of Hope is based on the wack job's sermons. Obama certainly got the message Wright was preaching.

"A white man's greed, runs a world in need."
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Here's an extended quote (from one of Wright's sermons):

"It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere…That’s the world! On which hope sits!"

Judge the book on its own merits. Judge Obama on what he says and does. Not on what someone else says or does.
 
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TennNC said:
You may be interested in this perspective:

newsobserver.com | Getting personal

In particular, this quote:

In a 1951 U.S. Supreme Court case concerning a government employee alleged to have been a member of a "disloyal organization," Justice William O. Douglas condemned what he called the "technique" of guilt by association, referring to it as "one of the most odious institutions of history." Guilt under our American system, according to Justice Douglas, is personal. Indeed, in Douglas' words, "when we make guilt vicarious we borrow from systems alien to ours and ape our enemies."
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I think if you read my posts on this topic I've acknowledged that is guilt by association and I've also not had a big problem with the Wright/Obama connection (I'm not judging Obama by his connection to Wright).

I was merely pointing out why the story is getting so much attention relative to the McCain/Hagee story. I'm addressing the phenomena; not stating my personal feelings on the matter.
 
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TennNC said:
Here's an extended quote (from one of Wright's sermons):

"It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere…That’s the world! On which hope sits!"

Judge the book on its own merits. Judge Obama on what he says and does. Not on what someone else says or does.
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I've read the entire quote. My point is I find it funny Obama can write a book based on Wright's "good" sermons or whatever and subscribe to those doctrines but can't seem to remember the racist garbage he spewed for the past 20 years. Pretty convenient.
 
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P 283 of the paperback edition from 2004,during their first meeting after Obama explains to Pastor Wright his political goals for the community , this is what Obama wrote:

"I'll try and help you if I can," (Wright) said, But you should know having us involved in your effort isn't necessarily a feather in your cap"

"Why that?" (asked Obama)

Reverend Wright shrugged, "Some of my fellow clergy dont appreciate what we're about. They feel like we're too radical. Others think we ain't radical enough. Too emotional. Not emotional enough. Our emphasis on African history, on scholarship--"

"Some people say," I interrupted, "that the church is too upwardly mobile."

The Reverend's smile faded "That's a lot of bull." he said sharply.


Yet until recently he denied his church was controversial, interesting.
 
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