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#26
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Football Freak said:
Agree 100% with the previous 2 posts, the people who think Casey was not a bust have been drinkin too much orange kool-aid.
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I think you might want to take a sniff of your glass too. 14-1 road record and 34-10 overall. Pretty much up there with any QB we've had. Rick is a different story but Casey did just fine.
 

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#27
#27
Will Clausen End Up Destroying Charlie Weis?

August 2nd, 2007

Everyone knows about uber-recruit Jimmy Clausen, formerly of Oaks Christian High outside of Los Angeles.

He was labeled by many internet recruiting gurus as the 'Lebron James of Football' before his senior year of high school had even begun.

Well, he is now at Notre Dame after enrolling early for spring ball. He is the most high-profile recruit to sign with the Irish since Ron Powlus in 1993.

Clausen was slated to step in for Brady Quinn and keep the Irish quarterback mystique--and the team's fortunes--alive.

Now, though, it appears as if Clausen may be damaged goods. He had surgery on his right throwing elbow and barely did much of anything in spring ball. Things are very quiet around Notre Dame regarding Clausen, whose hype has diminished considerably as a result.

So now the big issue with Notre Dame is the future. Charlie Weis could have signed Mitch Mustain in 2006 out of Arkansas, but Clausen let it be known to Weis that if Mustain signed with the Irish, he would not be coming.

So, Weis passed on Mustain and left the slot open for Clausen. The idea was that Clausen was so good, he was worth waiting for.

Mustain, meanwhile, went 8-0 as a starter for Arkansas before transferring to USC.

In the meantime, Notre Dame has seen the writing on the wall regarding Clausen and has secured a commitment from another quarterback from the San Fernando Valley, Notre Dame High signal caller Dayne Crist, who is highly-regarded and could very well be the quarterback of the future.

His commitment to the Irish signals that Weis is probably a bit worried about the future of his star recruit.

If Clausen ends up redshirting this season, it could be a long year for the Irish. Then he will have to compete with Crist and this year's starter for the job the following season. What once looked like a slam-dunk quarterback situation for Weis has quite possibly turned into a mess.

No matter what, it takes at least a couple years for a quarterback to mature into a good player. If Clausen redshirts and gets healthy, we are talking 2009--at best--before Weis can have a high-powered passing attack at his disposal, unless Evan Sharpley turns out to be better than expected.

If Weis hadn't kowtowed to Clausen in the first place, Mustain might be heading into his sophomore season in Blue and Gold, with the benefit of having learned under Brady Quinn. There's no doubt he'd be the starter and a budding star under Weis' tutelage.

And let's not forget that if Clausen had divulged that he was damaged goods a bit earlier, Weis may not have mortgaged his program's future by signing the star quarterback.

Instead, with 2007 looking like a rebuilding year, Weis could be lucky to be around when 2009 or 2010 hits.
 
#28
#28
He did good, but you can't be great without at least a conference title.
 
#34
#34
Instead, with 2007 looking like a rebuilding year, Weis could be lucky to be around when 2009 or 2010 hits.
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Bold statement considering the season hasn't even started yet. Who knows, Clausen may very well turn out to be a dud, but is it really necessary to gloat at a kid for failing the expectations. Do we really stoop that low? :blink: C'mon.
 
#35
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Football Freak said:
Clausen will be a major bust just like his bros. Why was he held back twice, grades? Is he stupid like Morley? If he would not have gone to ND, would he have coame to Tennessee?
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Casey Clausen was a four year starter and is second to Peyton Manning in almost every Vol passing record. What a bust that guy was.
 
#36
#36
Football Freak said:
I am not saying that Casey was not a solid QB, but his expectation were higher. Anyone that says Clausen was a GOOD qb just shows how low standards UT fans have become.
Anyone remember 2002 Florida game?
SEC titles=0
National titles=0
HE WASN'T EVEN DRAFTED.
A one loss record on the road is fine and dandy, but the number 1 rated QB in HS should have accomplished more, so he was a bust. Rick was not a bust, he was an over-acheiver cause he had no arm and was too small. I am just spouting the freakin facts.
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You must remove the "Football Guru" title. It is a terrible, terrible mislabel.
 
#38
#38
kptvol said:
You must remove the "Football Guru" title. It is a terrible, terrible mislabel.
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Oh yeah? I think he fully deserves the title of “football guru.” Who are you to say what anyone deserves? You are NO AUTHORITY figure in any field. Go home.
 
#39
#39
Teddyhead said:
Oh yeah? I think he fully deserves the title of “football guru.” Who are you to say what anyone deserves? You are NO AUTHORITY figure in any field. Go home.
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Last I checked, a guru wasn't wrong and always asking questions.
 
#40
#40
Teddyhead said:
Oh yeah? I think he fully deserves the title of “football guru.” Who are you to say what anyone deserves? You are NO AUTHORITY figure in any field. Go home.
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"Go home," says the Cal fan that no one wants here. The fact that he has your endorsement is more evidence that the title is unwarranted.
 
#41
#41
Teddyhead said:
Oh yeah? I think he fully deserves the title of “football guru.” Who are you to say what anyone deserves? You are NO AUTHORITY figure in any field. Go home.
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Keep it big. Keep it classy.

Teddyhead said:
Sorry Freak. I’ll be the bigger and classier man and just leave. In the future I would really appreciate it if KPT didn’t come out of nowhere and start arguments, of which I have no intention or desire in pursuing.:hi:
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#42
#42
If you play the WHAT-IF game and "what-if PM never came to UT...It's interesting that Casey would be the all-time QB in UT footbal history. With or without titles, he's the 2nd best ever. Like it or not. As far as titles, was he required to win them on his own. I seem to remember alot about rosters that would indicate alot of other offensive, defensive, and special teams players that did not get those titles either. Was he great as far as superstar great. Maybe not. The main difference between Casey and Peyton, is that Casey is missing a SEC title that PM has, and CC has multiple wins against UF, which PM has none. At best one.
 
#43
#43
I dont like Casey too much, but he does hold alot of records at UT and he did beat FLA (as well as fumble away another game :) ), and Miami.
 
#48
#48
Football Freak said:
I am not saying that Casey was not a solid QB, but his expectation were higher. Anyone that says Clausen was a GOOD qb just shows how low standards UT fans have become.
Anyone remember 2002 Florida game?
SEC titles=0
National titles=0
HE WASN'T EVEN DRAFTED.
A one loss record on the road is fine and dandy, but the number 1 rated QB in HS should have accomplished more, so he was a bust. Rick was not a bust, he was an over-acheiver cause he had no arm and was too small. I am just spouting the freakin facts.
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You want to gauge him based on performance against FL? What about the 01 and 03 Florida games? He has two more wins against FL than Peyton does.

Titles? Sure he doesn't have a SEC title to his name but by that logic Tee Martin is a better QB than Peyton. He has as many SEC titles and edges him out by one in the NC title count. If I had to pick a QB for my team, I'd take Clausen over Martin any day.

There have been plenty of great college football QBs that didn't get drafted. Charlie Ward and Eric Crouch come to mind and they are Heisman winners. (Actually Crouch did get drafted but not as a QB)
 
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