Worst coaching job in 2+ years IMO

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#101
SeniorDrill said:
Even if they did, you don't do it for one play when it shut down Florida for seven minutes of the last ten, my point! Besides you said McRae was underneath. That position in Josh's in their 1-3-1!
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I would say when you give up a dunk on the first possession you try to run it, that it's probably a good indication you dont need to stay in it. Their 1-3-1 is now out there for all future opponents to scout and game plan for. Missouri had obviously done their homework.

Also, before I make hard statements like "You are wrong!", I generally make sure I am correct beforehand. Just a suggestion.
 
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#102
bleedingTNorange said:
I didn't say he was underneath.

He was on the opposite wing that's supposed to drop down and he didn't, it's happened about 5 times to him in the 1-3-1.
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No wonder I missed it! I think 5 times is a stretch. I went back as you suggested and watched the game tape. The 1-3-1 was used from 1:30 to 0:30, two possessions, not 5. Missouri did not score on the first. I did not say you could not score on it. A good coach would make sure another alley oop did not occur but they went out of it when they did. It's supposed to be weak in the corners but I don't think a team has made a corner 3 against it. This is a shut down defense for the Vols! Martin said as much himself after the Alabama game. It denies the drive (which kills Tennessee in the games they lose), the length prevents the normal passing lanes and Martin himself said it forces the pass to go over the top!
So what if ONE alley oop occurs, you don't change defenses just because you get scored on!
 
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#103
SeniorDrill said:
No wonder I missed it! I think 5 times is a stretch. I went back as you suggested and watched the game tape. The 1-3-1 was used from 1:30 to 0:30, two possessions, not 5. Missouri did not score on the first. I did not say you could not score on it. A good coach would make sure another alley oop did not occur but they went out of it when they did. It's supposed to be weak in the corners but I don't think a team has made a corner 3 against it. This is a shut down defense for the Vols! Martin said as much himself after the Alabama game. It denies the drive (which kills Tennessee in the games they lose), the length prevents the normal passing lanes and Martin himself said it forces the pass to go over the top!
So what if ONE alley oop occurs, you don't change defenses just because you get scored on!
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I don't recall saying they used it 5 times, all I said was that they did show it.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Your quote is in the post above your reply!
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"It's happened to him about 5 times in the 1-3-1"...."it" is referring to the alley oop over McRae's head in the 1-3-1, not how many possessions we played the 1-3-1 against Missouri.

You said people were wrong, that it wasn't played, I never said how much it was just simply telling you that we did indeed show it.
 
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#106
“@Ben_Fred: Cuonzo Martin said "there were definitely plays called for" Jarnell Stokes in the second half of the Missouri game.”

I don't want to point any fingers, but I was reading on another site and a poster claims to have gone back and watched the last 2 games. Says he could count on 1 hand how many times McRae has passed to Stokes in those 2 games. Then this quote from Zo, not sure if it's something or nothing, but thought I would share.
 
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Just watched that Stokes interview. Brutal. That kid has busted his butt all year, and you can tell he's trying to take the high road (even being semi-provoked by Mike Strange and the other media guy).

I feel really bad for Jarnell. He has worked hard enough to deserve better.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
“@Ben_Fred: Cuonzo Martin said "there were definitely plays called for" Jarnell Stokes in the second half of the Missouri game.”

I don't want to point any fingers, but I was reading on another site and a poster claims to have gone back and watched the last 2 games. Says he could count on 1 hand how many times McRae has passed to Stokes in those 2 games. Then this quote from Zo, not sure if it's something or nothing, but thought I would share.
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If there is something to it, then it is difficult to do, but you have to sit McRae to make a point. Unfortunately, our offense can be so bad that without McRae, we can be awful. You can get hammered either way.

But, if he quits passing to Stokes with all of their front court players with 4 fouls, then you put someone in the game who will pass to Stokes.
 
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VolGee4 said:
If there is something to it, then it is difficult to do, but you have to sit McRae to make a point. Unfortunately, our offense can be so bad that without McRae, we can be awful. You can get hammered either way.

But, if he quits passing to Stokes with all of their front court players with 4 fouls, then you put someone in the game who will pass to Stokes.
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I apologize if I am off base, but CCM's attempt to deflect accountability rather than be accountable for why we failed to get it inside pi$$es me off more than him not making sure his guys did it. I feel like he does it all the time.
 
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Lefteye said:
I apologize if I am off base, but CCM's attempt to deflect blame rather than be accountable for why we failed to get it inside pi$$es me off more than him not making sure his guys did it. I feel like he does it all the time.
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You're not off base. "Shooters need to make shots." Says stuff like that all the time. Passes the buck.
 
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Lefteye said:
I apologize if I am off base, but CCM's attempt to deflect accountability rather than be accountable for why we failed to get it inside pi$$es me off more than him not making sure his guys did it. I feel like he does it all the time.
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He hasn't said anything about coaching or scheming better. Gotta defend. Gotta make shots. Plays were called. Jarnell needs to tell his pgs he likes to run.

It's not difficult to get a big man a touch. About as difficult as getting a T, which he said he tried to do but failed as well.

This whole thing is becoming cartoonish
 
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Spartacavolus said:
He hasn't said anything about coaching or scheming better. Gotta defend. Gotta make shots. Plays were called. Jarnell needs to tell his pgs he likes to run.

It's not difficult to get a big man a touch. About as difficult as getting a T, which he said he tried to do but failed as well.

This whole thing is becoming cartoonish
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I agree
 
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Lefteye said:
I apologize if I am off base, but CCM's attempt to deflect accountability rather than be accountable for why we failed to get it inside pi$$es me off more than him not making sure his guys did it. I feel like he does it all the time.
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It's very Dooley-esque. He was always quick to throw his players under the bus. Not once did giving up 700 yds of offense fall on the coaching staff and scheme. At least that's what he'd have you think given he never took responsibility for those performances.
 
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cncchris33 said:
It's very Dooley-esque. He was always quick to throw his players under the bus. Not once did giving up 700 yds of offense fall on the coaching staff and scheme. At least that's what he'd have you think given he never took responsibility for those performances.
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That's exactly who came to mind while posting.
 
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Lefteye said:
I apologize if I am off base, but CCM's attempt to deflect accountability rather than be accountable for why we failed to get it inside pi$$es me off more than him not making sure his guys did it. I feel like he does it all the time.
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Well, that was indirectly my point. If that is true about McRae, then as a coach, you do something about it.
 
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So why wasn't the team running the plays to Stokes? And what did Martin do as a consequence?

Mysterious.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Well, that was indirectly my point. If that is true about McRae, then as a coach, you do something about it.
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Right, I just felt like venting my frustration for his explanations in addition to your post. Which is why I quoted you.
 
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Martin has BS'ed all year and his entire career at UT at how the guys didn't execute or Jarnell has to demand the ball or we just didn't make shots. Eventually coach, it falls in your lap for not putting the players in the best position to win the game.

Who honestly here feels confident that UT will pull a game out in the last 5 minutes with the game close and Martin on the sideline? That's why we suck in the last 5 minutes and in close games. When a game is close, a coach can/will strategize you to a win in a close game. Martin can't if his life depended on it. That's why his record in close games speaks for itself.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
"It's happened to him about 5 times in the 1-3-1"...."it" is referring to the alley oop over McRae's head in the 1-3-1, not how many possessions we played the 1-3-1 against Missouri.

You said people were wrong, that it wasn't played, I never said how much it was just simply telling you that we did indeed show it.
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Well, I know Florida didn't score from 9:45 to 2:45 of the second half off the 1-3-1! Can you tell me where they alley ooped it four more times. I'll be glad to go back and watch! Give you a little help. They ran it for two minutes against Vandy and 17 minutes against Alabama. Also, could you point me to where the other team has hit a 3 point shot from the vulnerable corner of the 1-3-1? I have not seen that either! I know one thing it damn sure shuts down the people who beat the man-to-man and go in and shoot layups at will without the big men covering them!
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Well, I know Florida didn't score from 9:45 to 2:45 of the second half off the 1-3-1! Can you tell me where they alley ooped it four more times. I'll be glad to go back and watch! Give you a little help. They ran it for two minutes against Vandy and 17 minutes against Alabama. Also, could you point me to where the other team has hit a 3 point shot from the vulnerable corner of the 1-3-1? I have not seen that either! I know one thing it damn sure shuts down the people who beat the man-to-man and go in and shoot layups at will without the big men covering them!
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I might be mistaken but didn't Scotty Wilbekin drill one in front of the bench when we was running the 1-3-1? I'll have to rewatch.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Well, I know Florida didn't score from 9:45 to 2:45 of the second half off the 1-3-1! Can you tell me where they alley ooped it four more times. I'll be glad to go back and watch! Give you a little help. They ran it for two minutes against Vandy and 17 minutes against Alabama. Also, could you point me to where the other team has hit a 3 point shot from the vulnerable corner of the 1-3-1? I have not seen that either! I know one thing it damn sure shuts down the people who beat the man-to-man and go in and shoot layups at will without the big men covering them!
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I believe Vandy had 3 oops against our 1-3-1
 
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