worst lady vol team ever.

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This team will probably go down as the worst Lady Vol team ever. Some people can be good assistant's coaches but not good head coaches,( I.E. Wade Houston) and HW is one of them. These so called Mc Donalds All Americans on this team are bad, no wonder schools like UConn, Baylor, ND and others didn't push hard to get them, they are at the best maybe an average JC players. I think maybe Popeyes Chicken All Americans.:jpshakehead:
 
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Just because a person is loyal to a program as an assistant coach for decades, doesn't mean they can be a good head coach. Ever wonder why these assistant coaches remain at a school for decades and not get offers of promotion at other programs?
Dean Smith retired at UNC and his top assistant took over. He just put the team on auto pilot and the players whom were All Americans did it all. Once that team was gone, the coach retired.
Holly has been with U.T. as a player and as a staff member for decades. She is not getting the players to play to their top level. Pat put that "killer instinct" in them and they rebounded with intensity with an attitude.
It is time for us to get one of out past players who are now coaching elsewhere to come here. It has slipped but it hasn't slipped to the bottom of the barrell yet, so we can still attract a good replacement for Holly.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Just because a person is loyal to a program as an assistant coach for decades, doesn't mean they can be a good head coach. Ever wonder why these assistant coaches remain at a school for decades and not get offers of promotion at other programs?
Dean Smith retired at UNC and his top assistant took over. He just put the team on auto pilot and the players whom were All Americans did it all. Once that team was gone, the coach retired.
Holly has been with U.T. as a player and as a staff member for decades. She is not getting the players to play to their top level. Pat put that "killer instinct" in them and they rebounded with intensity with an attitude.
It is time for us to get one of out past players who are now coaching elsewhere to come here. It has slipped but it hasn't slipped to the bottom of the barrell yet, so we can still attract a good replacement for Holly.
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Holly did get a couple of offers to be head coach at other places but never took them which concerns me even more.
 
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One of the few connections I have is with the Lady Vols program, I have met Pat Summit many times and Holly. She was very close to Pat but she is not a good motivator and is a defense first coach. But, I can also tell you that as of the last thing I heard a week or so back she will be given another year regardless but I hope that changes.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Just because a person is loyal to a program as an assistant coach for decades, doesn't mean they can be a good head coach. Ever wonder why these assistant coaches remain at a school for decades and not get offers of promotion at other programs?
Dean Smith retired at UNC and his top assistant took over. He just put the team on auto pilot and the players whom were All Americans did it all. Once that team was gone, the coach retired.
Holly has been with U.T. as a player and as a staff member for decades. She is not getting the players to play to their top level. Pat put that "killer instinct" in them and they rebounded with intensity with an attitude.
It is time for us to get one of out past players who are now coaching elsewhere to come here. It has slipped but it hasn't slipped to the bottom of the barrell yet, so we can still attract a good replacement for Holly.
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Why does a new coach have to be from the LV playing or coaching tree? I just don't understand that thinking.
 
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landscapingvol said:
One of the few connections I have is with the Lady Vols program, I have met Pat Summit many times and Holly. She was very close to Pat but she is not a good motivator and is a defense first coach. But, I can also tell you that as of the last thing I heard a week or so back she will be given another year regardless but I hope that changes.
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I imagine the only thing that wouldn't get her through at least next year would be a cascade of player transfers (4+) or a player insurrection.
 
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willford65 said:
This team will probably go down as the worst Lady Vol team ever. Some people can be good assistant's coaches but not good head coaches,( I.E. Wade Houston) and HW is one of them. These so called Mc Donalds All Americans on this team are bad, no wonder schools like UConn, Baylor, ND and others didn't push hard to get them, they are at the best maybe an average JC players. I think maybe Popeyes Chicken All Americans.:jpshakehead:
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As I have stated on this board before,Holly has lost this team. Her statements in the News Sentinel that she kept telling them to drive and they kept shooting three's just further confirms it. I have watched Lady Vol basketball since the 1970's and have seen them play badly during that time,but there were usually bright spots in some areas. This team has no coaching leadership,player leadership,pride in their playing,nor consequences for their ineptness. A coach with pride would have had the players that didn't listen to her on the bench getting splinters on their backside until they did as told. One of the things you could always count on with Pat Summitt was that her teams might be beaten,but they would always compete. This Lady Vol team does not compete,and in my mind has lost the right to be called Lady Vols. Henceforth,in my mind,they will be hart's Vols from now on.
 
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Bring back Bruce !!
seriously though, I don't think these ladies care if they lose. The great teams hate to lose. It doesn't seem to matter to this team
 
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Football is going to (I hope) shell out alot of money for a DC --- so get used to having a bargain basement womens basketball coach
 
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So part of the problem is certainly that we have no one coach or player that holds others accountable. They are all friends and accept each others mistakes without even a complaint. Holly then complains to the media but does nothing to the players to correct them in their play and make them accountable for failure to do the things that is necessary to win.
The main problem with the team is there is no General and as a result not one of these players plays to their strengths they do as they wish shoot when they want to shoot regardless of what their season or lifetime percentages say about the success of doing so.
Every player seems to be looking to get their shots in and go into the game with that mindset. Carter, and Graves are the only ones who try to play in a team concept. Russell is just to soft has bad hands and does a lot of standing around. Some of the shots Diamond and Cooper put up last night are not shots that they will be statistically successful taking but they must get up a certain amount of shots per game. Nared loves the outside shot as well even though she is a 25 percent lifetime three point shooter.
Reynolds has completely lost her game over the summer and Middleton and Dunbar are proving to be bad scholarships because their deficiencies are far greater than their assets.
 
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Here is the thing though...you take a look at everyone on the team and realize that we have a really good amount of players coming back for next year. I know. "next year" becomes old year in and out. But, I think this is precisely why you hire Bob Shoop. We were inches away from playing for the big stuff this year. I like our chances. Thoughts?
 
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Holly is so far behind she does not realize moves are being made to take away those things that worked in the 1st quarter. She does not see the whole floor. I wouldn't blame the players for transferring. Throws them under the bus after every loss.
 
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I don't think this is the worst team ever but anyone can see that they are not playing well at the moment. I think there is enough blame to go around and complaining about it will not do anything so I'll just continue to root for them and hope for the best. Go Lady Vols!!!
 
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I don't think you can learn how to shoot if you don't already know how especially if your not willing to practice and I am certain several players on the team have better things to do with their free time.
I think to win going forward were going to have to go away from the switching defense guard one on one so we can cover the three point line and trust Graves and Russell to handle most of the defense on the dribble drives. I rather give up 9 twos than 9 threes as that takes care of their lead right there.
I cover the three point line on these three point shooting teams to the max if they get by for a layup now and then so be it.
 
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landscapingvol said:
One of the few connections I have is with the Lady Vols program, I have met Pat Summit many times and Holly. She was very close to Pat but she is not a good motivator and is a defense first coach. But, I can also tell you that as of the last thing I heard a week or so back she will be given another year regardless but I hope that changes.
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If we are stuck with Holly for another year after this one, the program may never recover. I think this is what Hart wants.
 
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Holly is unmotivated to go anywhere else... and Hart is unmotivated to fire her. That's a bad combination.

You don't have to look far for examples of how waiting too long can cause a rapid program decline-- and lead to years of rebuilding. We've had a few of those right here at UT.
 
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This team is about the same as the 2008-2009 22-11 team that lost in the first round of the NCAA Tournament. I wouldn't be shocked if this team lost in the first round of the NCAA Tournament also.
 
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DoubleA said:
If we are stuck with Holly for another year after this one, the program may never recover. I think this is what Hart wants.
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I get that Hart probably doesn't care ( that's probably true of most ADs regarding women's basketball) , but I've seen this comment before from people saying, "that is his intention" as if Hart is behind the scenes rubbing his hands together like an evil cartoon villain. What's that about?

Just sad, because while I do believe most ADs don't put much attention/effort into women's basketball...we weren't JUST another women's basketball team. We were THE MOST storied program (coach) ever. We WERE UCLA back with Wooden, and the phenom Michigan team.
 
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utkCREW said:
I get that Hart probably doesn't care ( that's probably true of most ADs regarding women's basketball) , but I've seen this comment before from people saying, "that is his intention" as if Hart is behind the scenes rubbing his hands together like an evil cartoon villain. What's that about?

Just sad, because while I do believe most ADs don't put much attention/effort into women's basketball...we weren't JUST another women's basketball team. We were THE MOST storied program (coach) ever. We WERE UCLA back with Wooden, and the phenom Michigan team.
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It looks like the LadyVols basketball program is heading in the very same direction as Old Dominion,USC and Louisiana Tech and is not going to be relevant nationally. It's sad to see this happen
 
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VolFootballnut said:
This team is about the same as the 2008-2009 22-11 team that lost in the first round of the NCAA Tournament. I wouldn't be shocked if this team lost in the first round of the NCAA Tournament also.
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LOL...I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't make the tournament.
 
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Don't start comparing the downfall of Tennessee football to Lady Vols basketball. Two completely different beasts. In women's basketball one or two great players can turn everything around. This current LV team only has one stellar player, and for whatever reason (injuries, motivation, apathy, bad coaching) DD isn't playing well. Holly doesn't seem to be a good fit for Diamond or any of the current players.

One important thing I've picked up from the post-game press conferences is the players call Holly be her first name, not Coach Warlick. I recall Pat's players calling her Coach Head and Summitt at all times. Once they graduate and no longer play for her, then they would refer to her as Pat.

Holly is more like a big sister, trying to keep everyone (including the players' parents) happy. It isn't working.

For those calling for Coach Law's job, it won't happen. She and Holly are close and big buds off the court. Hart doesn't have the budget to pay off Holly's contract, so we are stuck with her for at least through next season. The only hope would be for Holly to retire, and her ego won't let that happen. Why do you think she's so quick to throw her players under the bus, which seems to contradict her big-sis attitude ... unless she too realizes her fan base is dwindling quickly.

This team is a mess, and the coaching staff is lost for answers. Recruiting is the main culprit. It appears Reynolds, Dunbar, Middleton, Jones and Moore are busts. Russell was overrated and soft. Graves in one-dimensional and can't create her own shot. Cooper thinks she's still a superstar, not realizing high school is different from college. Hopefully, the learning curve will catch up with her. Nared gets a pass due to her injury. She may be our second best pure athlete.

Every Lady Vol needs to take personal time to work on shooting skills. This is a personal pride thing.

Finally, Pat has little input these days. Her energies are wrapped up with her son's difficult effort to rebuild La Tech, which is going to be an uphill battle due to their conference and invisible national exposure.

I refuse to think this legendary program will sink to obscurity. We're one solid coach and a couple of game breakers away from greatness again. Future recruits are on to Holly's shortcomings, but a new hire can turn this thinking around swiftly. Our history, facilities and fan base are impossible to ignore. We can't say the same about La Tech, Southern Cal, etc.
 
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