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that a bad offense can be fixed a lot easier than a bad defense? Agree or disagree?

Stay positive guys! Coach Martin is a great coach and will fix this. We play defense well enough to be in any game with any team. Maymon is not someone we can replace but I got plenty of hope that Martin can fix this. GBO!!!!!
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I do agree.

I also think its something that's gonna vary drastically by home/away...our next 6 are at home, I'm guessing the offense looks much better than the last 2 games.
 
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I disagree. I believe that defense is "want to". Defense comes down to effort from each player.

sort of my point. The kids have a want to play hard defense and if we sucked on defense its harder for a coach to make a kid want it....
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that a bad offense can be fixed a lot easier than a bad defense? Agree or disagree?

Stay positive guys! Coach Martin is a great coach and will fix this. We play defense well enough to be in any game with any team. Maymon is not someone we can replace but I got plenty of hope that Martin can fix this. GBO!!!!!
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I somewhat disagree. You can either dribble or you can't. You can either shoot or you can't. We can't do either right now. You can still make adjustments with spacing that make it easier to do both, but the problems are still there. Most of defense is effort and awareness. If guys give no effort on the defensive end, the problem is fixed by a quick benching, usually.
 
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Defense is so much harder to fix in terms of complete defense and not just adjusting a scheme for a given game. Playing full blown good defense on a consistent basis is hard....very hard.

When kids practice on their own in the gym or in the driveway they are practicing offense. Defense has a lot to do with effort sure, but offense comes much more natural to players in my experience.

My high school team didn't even practice offense during the season or in training camp, we practiced our offense in the off-season.
 
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that a bad offense can be fixed a lot easier than a bad defense? Agree or disagree?

Stay positive guys! Coach Martin is a great coach and will fix this. We play defense well enough to be in any game with any team. Maymon is not someone we can replace but I got plenty of hope that Martin can fix this. GBO!!!!!
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In most cases, I'd say you are right. Not sure this is most cases, though. Most high D1 players come to college with more highly developed offensive games than defensive games. So, you don't have to "fix" their offense. Coaches have to "fix" their defense, which is a matter of imposing their will on them as much as anything.

Coach Martin seems to very good at imposing his will, thus he's very good at coaching defense.

However, this bunch seems to need as much help on offense as it does on defense. In this case, Coach Martin's lack of structure on offense may not be the best prescription for them. Maybe he's doing it and we just don't see, but I would feel better if they had some more plays to run vs running the motion all the time. Motion seems to be designed to get anyone a shot at any time, based on whoever pops open. With this group, it might be better to run plays that are designed to get Jarnell Stokes and Trae most of the the shots.
 
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that a bad offense can be fixed a lot easier than a bad defense? Agree or disagree?

Stay positive guys! Coach Martin is a great coach and will fix this. We play defense well enough to be in any game with any team. Maymon is not someone we can replace but I got plenty of hope that Martin can fix this. GBO!!!!!
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I reluctantly disagree. Defense can be fixed far more easily. To me, defense really does come down more to effort than it does talent or scheme. That isn't the case with the offense.

That's why I'm already so concerned about this team. There simply isn't very much offensive TALENT on this team. That's not necessarily something that can be fixed. The defense is awesome. The heart is awesome. But I'm already wondering just how low this team's ceiling might be.
 
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If we played zone or a full court press 1-2-1-1 or 1-2-2 I would put it at equal. Playing man though it all comes down to the player.
 
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that a bad offense can be fixed a lot easier than a bad defense? Agree or disagree?

Stay positive guys! Coach Martin is a great coach and will fix this. We play defense well enough to be in any game with any team. Maymon is not someone we can replace but I got plenty of hope that Martin can fix this. GBO!!!!!
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Our horrible defense is directly related to playing two teams that play extreme defense like us and slow down the game. my fears are that we are going to be an exact replica of a purdue or Wisconsin type team which means we will never win anything of consequence. I hope I am wrong but I have many worries about our style of play and his recruiting. I will support him and hope he gets the job done.
 
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NO! It's just the opposite. Great defense is in large part a function of effort--working hard--though you need players with quickness. (Slow movers, no matter how hard they work, cannot play defense.) Lots of marginal players play good defense and rebound. Offense is much more skill oriented. It's very hard to teach someone to become a good shooter or scorer; you can help guys improve the technique or shot selection--but like running backs in football, basketball scorers tend to be born and not made.
 
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Think of it this way. Defense is typically reactionary, meaning you aren't necessarily making a read, you are just doing your job. On offense, the player has to be able to read the defense and adjust accordingly.

Yes, it can be said both ways with that argument, but defense comes down to the effort you put into it. Offense requires quicker IQ thinking BEFORE you react and the skill to execute it.

Both need high IQ to do well, but offense isn't just effort. I don't care if a kid can run like Usian Bolt, if he can't kiss it softly off the glass to make the layup his effort isn't rewarded. But if all if all I have to do is teach him to use that Usain Bolt speed to get in front of the guy with the ball on a fast break, then defense will be much easier to teach.

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To clarify my point that defense is more reactionary was probably poorly worded. What I mean is, if I tell a 7ft kid with no experience to stand in front of the goal with his arms up, that is his job. Nothing else matters except what pertains to that job. If someone is trying to root him out of position, he knows it's his job to maintain it. That's all. He's not been given too much to handle even with a low IQ. Over time I add jobs like help defense, rebounding, etc. But that's just with what he can take. You teach him what he can handle nothing more and with his size and athletic ability he can be passable.

Put that same 7ft kid with no experience on offense and he has far more to worry about. Can he develop soft hands to catch an post pass, can he pass out of a double team, can he not turn it over, does he have any post moves, can he set screens, can crash the glass without going over the back, etc etc etc. Offense requires more skill than JUST athleticism. Defense you can become passable with simple rules and athleticism and still bring value to the team defensive strategy. Offense, even with the probably tip dunks and maybe some unreliable short jumpers at the end of shot clocks, you don't really bring team value on that end of the court without skill.
 
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a lot of good points in this thread. I am just curious what changes we'll see from Martin and staff. Lots of ugly play from our team but not sure I agree about Wisky or Purdue look alikes. Bo Ryan and Painter have both done fairly well. Perfect wait and see game but we got to turn some things around
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Offensive skills are much harder to teach than defensive skills.

As Sparty said earlier, you either have it or you don't.
 
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Offensive skills are much harder to teach than defensive skills.

As Sparty said earlier, you either have it or you don't.

Cf. Skylar McBee, who is no longer a complete liability on defense now that he's been coached. His offensive skills are no different than they were the day he set foot on campus though.
 
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Cf. Skylar McBee, who is no longer a complete liability on defense now that he's been coached. His offensive skills are no different than they were the day he set foot on campus though.

I'd rather have offensive problems than defensive problems, especially if those defensive problems are effort/hustle. UT had offensive problems in 2009-2010 but made the Elite Eight. The year before their offense was very good, but their D was awful and they got beat by Okie State in the first round.

If Maymon can come back, my concern level drops. If he can't...well........it could get ugly.
 
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I'd rather have offensive problems than defensive problems, especially if those defensive problems are effort/hustle. UT had offensive problems in 2009-2010 but made the Elite Eight. The year before their offense was very good, but their D was awful and they got beat by Okie State in the first round.

If Maymon can come back, my concern level drops. If he can't...well........it could get ugly.

It's impossible without Maymon. No perimeter scoring means that all the other team has to do is take Stokes out and the Vols have nothing. Maymon would free up Stokes and pretty much guarantee that somebody away from the basket is going to be open most of the time.

Still no word, huh? Still "indefinitely"?
 
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It's impossible without Maymon. No perimeter scoring means that all the other team has to do is take Stokes out and the Vols have nothing. Maymon would free up Stokes and pretty much guarantee that somebody away from the basket is going to be open most of the time.

Still no word, huh? Still "indefinitely"?

The hope is he can get a OOC game or two in and then be ready to go for SEC play.

But CCM is playing this very close to the vest. Which is...bad. From reports, just last week Jeronne still had a bad limp. I don't know if that's true. The other issue is Jeronne is a big dude and has had weight issues before. We don't want him at 280.

The only good news if he misses this year is he can redshirt and play next year if he's healthy.
 
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The hope is he can get a OOC game or two in and then be ready to go for SEC play.

But CCM is playing this very close to the vest. Which is...bad. From reports, just last week Jeronne still had a bad limp. I don't know if that's true. The other issue is Jeronne is a big dude and has had weight issues before. We don't want him at 280.

The only good news if he misses this year is he can redshirt and play next year if he's healthy.

Plus it's certainly not helping Stokes's chances of going pro early, is it?
 
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Plus it's certainly not helping Stokes's chances of going pro early, is it?

Poor Jarnell. He's getting screwed in all of this. Half the time he's got three guys on him. At 18, that's impossible to deal with.
 
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that a bad offense can be fixed a lot easier than a bad defense? Agree or disagree?

Stay positive guys! Coach Martin is a great coach and will fix this. We play defense well enough to be in any game with any team. Maymon is not someone we can replace but I got plenty of hope that Martin can fix this. GBO!!!!!
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I was thinking this very same thing yesterday so i'm glad you posted it. IMO, if you add a healthy Maymon averaging a double-double to this team, it immediately solves alot of the offensive woes. It's almost like you can see that this team was built around the expectation that Maymon would play. Now that Maymon is not in the lineup, I might expect Martin to change it up a little and open up more scoring opportunities.

Me personally, i'd like to stay focused on defense and try to find a way to score more points on offense. It should be interesting to see what Martin does. He has some tools to work with.
 
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I don't think you make big changes on the road so that's why I'm curious to see something in our next game since it's at home. Maymon is likely not coming back this season.
 

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