Would you really take a girl with tats home to mom?

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BeattieFeathers said:
I agree it started going downhill in the early 60's when they took prayer out of schools. It's ok to teach my two daddy's to first graders, but we can't pray.
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Since when have kids not been allowed to pray in school? Since prayer can take place in silence and within the confines of one's own thought, prayer is never and can never be prohibited. Now, the public sanction of prayer in school can certainly be prohibited, and since the public sanction of prayer must, in effect, sanction some religions over others, the public sanction of prayer in school is the public endorsement of certain religions over others. That is something that a secular and free nation cannot and should not allow.

But, back to the point, if you think it has gone hill, it has gone hill since before the 60s. Again, if one generation is, on the whole, worse than the previous generation, then the fault is with the raising of that generation. Thus, the fault is with the parents. But, since raising one's progeny is of great moral importance, then such a failure is a great moral failure of an entire generation. This means that generation was incredibly rotten. Nothing really 'went downhill' as much as the effects of the rottenness of the producing generation is manifested in the offspring. There is no regression, just shrouded ****tiness and manifest ****tiness.

Personally, I don't believe such a regression has taken place. If you think the 60s were better than now, then you are either a racist, an idiot, or just plain ignorant. Today, society is less violent than the 60s, less formally, explicitly, and officially racist and sexist, and less closed. "Oh noes, tattoos!" Is how someone decides to use and decorate their own body a problem comparable to lynching, beating, releasing K-9s upon, and spraying firehoses at individuals simply because they want to be treated as political equals under the law? Are tattoos somehow worse than the stance in all 50 states in America that a husband could not be charged with raping or sexually assaulting his wife?

BeattieFeathers said:
More on point, if women with tattoos look for jobs, do they cover them during the interview? A face or neck tattoo would be a definite no no for most hiring managers.
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And, those hiring managers are backwards jackasses. I guarantee that I would be turned away at the door of most businesses, as I have a rasputin-esque beard and long hair. I don't look the part. Although, in a 'traditional-business-setting', I can also guarantee that I could perform well above my most of my would-be peers in such a setting. A manager that refused to hire me because I am not clean cut and 'presentable', would be a manager that presents a liability to his own company, as he would be refusing higher quality and more efficient work.

Fortunately, for such obtuse managers out there, I have no desire to work in such settings.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
Didn't you work in the military, trut? I hear they are big on individualism and free expression.
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I have an inspired hope that this will change soon. While the exodus of young officers has been immense over the past decade, a few that have remained have been quite outspoken, to include brigade commanders and West Point cadre and staff, concerning the culture of the military.

And, never forget, Douglas MacArthur was a very successful military officer who was a paragon of individualism and free expression. Unfortunately, the changes he made during his tenure as Supe of West Point (viz., getting rid of the entire dog-and-pony show) were immediately scrapped by his replacement.

I have a feeling that in the next decade, the entire officer evaluation system throughout the military will be overhauled, resulting in less sycophancy and more independent thinking.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
The OER system has/is already changed/changing
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Those changes are hardly substantive. The changes that must be made (and, I think will be made by 2025) are changes that will include peer-evals, and immediate subordinate evals.

Without peer evaluations, the system will continue to promote sycophancy. Ironically, peer-evaluations carry great weight throughout officer training, from their time as cadets through their basic course and even through Ranger School. Yet, once they arrive at their unit, peer ratings and perspectives are absolutely discarded.

On top of that, a Platoon Leader ought to be rated by his/her Platoon Sergeant; a Company Commander by his PLs and his First Sergeant. It is not some secret that great NCOs can make an average officer look incredible. But, those NCOs are not asked about the officer they often carry in that officer's evaluation. At the same time, great PLs can make a CO look great, great COs can make a Battalion CO look great. All of this ought to be factored in to an officer's eval.
 
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therealUT said:
Those changes are hardly substantive. The changes that must be made (and, I think will be made by 2025) are changes that will include peer-evals, and immediate subordinate evals.

Without peer evaluations, the system will continue to promote sycophancy. Ironically, peer-evaluations carry great weight throughout officer training, from their time as cadets through their basic course and even through Ranger School. Yet, once they arrive at their unit, peer ratings and perspectives are absolutely discarded.

On top of that, a Platoon Leader ought to be rated by his/her Platoon Sergeant; a Company Commander by his PLs and his First Sergeant. It is not some secret that great NCOs can make an average officer look incredible. But, those NCOs are not asked about the officer they often carry in that officer's evaluation. At the same time, great PLs can make a CO look great, great COs can make a Battalion CO look great. All of this ought to be factored in to an officer's eval.
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I would like to see this done at the NCOER level as well. In my experience, NCOs get to write the bulk of their own NCOERs and no one is willing to talk about shortcomings unless the NCO is a true dirtbag.
 
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volfanbill said:
I would like to see this done at the NCOER level as well. In my experience, NCOs get to write the bulk of their own NCOERs and no one is willing to talk about shortcomings unless the NCO is a true dirtbag.
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This is a particularly large problem at the Platoon level. Most exiting PLs will do all they can to avoid writing NCOERs for all but the best NCOs in their Platoon, and they will leave the other NCOERs for the incoming PL. Of course, the incoming PL not only does not yet know his NCOs, but, worse, he/she is usually a butterbar fresh out of the schoolhouse, and thus will write whatever the NCOs tells him/her to write.
 
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The only NCOER the PL is directly responsible for is the PSG. SLs NOCERs should be written by the PSG, the PL is only the senior rater.
 
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volfanbill said:
I would like to see this done at the NCOER level as well. In my experience, NCOs get to write the bulk of their own NCOERs and no one is willing to talk about shortcomings unless the NCO is a true dirtbag.
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Just curious, what rank are you?


Honestly I think that's usually not the case, at least in my experience.
 
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I'm just an E-5, but I get to see every NCOER that comes through my company being the OPS NCOIC.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
Just curious, what rank are you?


Honestly I think that's usually not the case, at least in my experience.
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I agree with volfanbill. In my time in the Air Force I would send in bullets for my own EPR and no one gets a rating below 4 unless you are truly garbage and have a massive paperwork trail.

Most NCOs don't want the extra haste of giving someone a 2 or 3 on their report and having to tell them they truly suck at their job.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
Just curious, what rank are you?


Honestly I think that's usually not the case, at least in my experience.
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When I took over my Platoon, I had an E6 PSG, one E6 SL, and two E5s. My PSG was Samoan and could not write coherently to save his life (he was an incredible soldier, though). In my first month as PL, I wrote his NCOER, as well as those of the SLs. The Battalion XO will come down with a hammer on PLs who permit ****tily written NCOERs to end up at BN; thus, most of the PLs (at least in the light infantry units I was in), write the all the NCOERs, as it saves them the time and the headache they would otherwise encounter if they kept editing and revising and sending back to their PSG to rewrite.
 
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therealUT said:
When I took over my Platoon, I had an E6 PSG, one E6 SL, and two E5s. My PSG was Samoan and could not write coherently to save his life (he was an incredible soldier, though). In my first month as PL, I wrote his NCOER, as well as those of the SLs. The Battalion XO will come down with a hammer on PLs who permit ****tily written NCOERs to end up at BN; thus, most of the PLs (at least in the light infantry units I was in), write the all the NCOERs, as it saves them the time and the headache they would otherwise encounter if they kept editing and revising and sending back to their PSG to rewrite.
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Experiences will vary lol. I've never had a PL write my NCOER(as a SL) or one of the NOCERs I'm responsible for writing nor would I allow it.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
It's your life but why do you want yo look scary? Why do you want people to cross the street when they see you? I prefer the day when men wore suits and ladies wore dresses. We didn't have as many societal ills back then. Yes we had racism but overall society was got falling apart like it is now. We don't care what people think. To heck with everybody else. I'll do what I want to do. It's my nose I'll pierce if I want too! :good!:
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Society is falling apart ?
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
The only NCOER the PL is directly responsible for is the PSG. SLs NOCERs should be written by the PSG, the PL is only the senior rater.
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Exactly! I write my SL NCOER and they write the NCOERs for the TLs and other Junior NCOs within the squad with me Senior Rating.
 
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I judge a girl with tats based on the quality of her tats, not if she has them or not.

Good quality tats shows me that she took the time to think them out and select a good artist. Poor quality just screams poor judgment.

I would take a girl home with two full sleeves before I took a girl home with a cross tattoo on her ankle.
 
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