WOW....No wonder Nick Saban gets so much $$$$$$

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Saban would have been great had he stayed at LSU. Since he started there (and continuing through Les Miles' tenure to the present) no football program in the country has had more talent than LSU, save possibly USC.

I'm starting to think of Miles as the Larry Brown of football.
 
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GAVol said:
I'm pretty sure you are correct, although I think he did lose to UAB one year which is never a good thing.
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I believe that was his first season in Baton Rouge. He did manage to improve the team from 3-8 to 8-4. There are no two seasons you can put together in which his LSU's loss total was 10. Fulmer has ten losses in the last two seasons.
 
#29
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LSU had the exact same type of years we're having now (save the NC season and '01) when Saban was there. And our '05 season.
 
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kptvol said:
I believe that was his first season in Baton Rouge. He did manage to improve the team from 3-8 to 8-4. There are no two seasons you can put together in which his LSU's loss total was 10. Fulmer has ten losses in the last two seasons.
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LSU always has talent. All they need is an average coach. Les Miles is a good example.
 
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kptvol said:
I believe that was his first season in Baton Rouge. He did manage to improve the team from 3-8 to 8-4. There are no two seasons you can put together in which his LSU's loss total was 10. Fulmer has ten losses in the last two seasons.
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I'm well aware of CPF's record . . . which really doesn't have anything to do with the fact that I think Saban is possibly slightly overrated if for no other reason than he was able to feast on some really mediocre SEC West opponents. But he did win some big games, so you can't minimize the titles.
 
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GAVol said:
I'm well aware of CPF's record . . . which really doesn't have anything to do with the fact that I think Saban is possibly slightly overrated if for no other reason than he was able to feast on some really mediocre SEC West opponents. But he did win some big games, so you can't minimize the titles.
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Even Gerry Dinardo took a 4-7 team and turned them into a 7-4-1 team the next year, and then to 10-2 the next, and then eventually back down to 4-7 and 3-8. Mike Archer inherited a 9-3 team and took them to 10-1-1, down to 8-4 down to 4-7. It's like the Bermuda triangle. Something's wrong with that picture.
 
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GAVol said:
I'm well aware of CPF's record . . . which really doesn't have anything to do with the fact that I think Saban is possibly slightly overrated if for no other reason than he was able to feast on some really mediocre SEC West opponents. But he did win some big games, so you can't minimize the titles.

...and Saban did manage to havea 5 loss season the year after winning the SEC title, which is sort of amazing given the competition level in the SEC West at the time.
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I suppose it's possible he's overrated. However, he seems to have Fulmer's number. He's now the head coach of our greatest rival and has shown that he can bring a crappy team to respectability in a few years. Our other big rival (Florida) is rapidly improving and shows no signs of slowing down. Most of the other bigtime SEC programs show signs of improvement. What has UT shown? In the last eight years, I'd say nothing. We used to see some of these programs in our rear view mirrors. I'm worried that soon we'll need binoculars to read their license plates.
 
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Not sure I'd refer to what Saban has done against Fulmer as "having his number", but there 's no doubt that he's good at what he does and will probably turn out to be an upgrade over Shula at Alabama.
 
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kptvol said:
I suppose it's possible he's overrated. However, he seems to have Fulmer's number. He's now the head coach of our greatest rival and has shown that he can bring a crappy team to respectability in a few years. Our other big rival (Florida) is rapidly improving and shows no signs of slowing down. Most of the other bigtime SEC programs show signs of improvement. What has UT shown? In the last eight years, I'd say nothing. We used to see some of these programs in our rear view mirrors. I'm worried that soon we'll need binoculars to read their license plates.
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Which top SEC school doesn't have Fulmer's number, though? I believe they all do. It should make Fulmer look like less than an average coach rather than making the other coaches look like Neyland or Bryant. Sad but true.
 
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GAVol said:
Not sure I'd refer to what Saban has done against Fulmer as "having his number", but there 's no doubt that he's good at what he does and will probably turn out to be an upgrade over Shula at Alabama.
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LSU wins are definitely "curvey."
 
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GAVol said:
Not sure I'd refer to what Saban has done against Fulmer as "having his number", but there 's no doubt that he's good at what he does.

The notion that LSU was devoid of anything before Saban is also a little overblown. LSU has always had talent, they've just been really inconsistent.
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Fulmer's best team this decade lost to a Saban team that didn't have it's top running back or QB. I guess Fulmer's record against Saban isn't that bad, but if you take away a tremendous Kelley Washington effort, Fulmer is winless against him. Considering Mike Shula has been able to played Fulmer to the wire every year he was in Tuscaloosa, I'm pretty concerned about what Saban will do.
 
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When Saban was at LSU, he and Fulmer had identical SEC records from 2000-2004. Both were 30-12. Saban was 12-9 against Auburn, Bama, UT, Georgia and Florida. Fulmer was 9-12 against those teams. Saban was 18-3 against South Carolina, Miss, Miss St., Vandy, Kentucky and Arkansas. Fulmer was 21-0. Saban has an edge, but I'm not comparing him to a great coach.
 
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Jasongivm6 said:
Which top SEC school doesn't have Fulmer's number, though? I believe they all do. It should make Fulmer look like less than an average coach rather than making the other coaches look like Neyland or Bryant. Sad but true.
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I won't argue with you anymore over Saban. I think he'll be quite successful at Bama. The only problem I have is with these homers that act like Fulmer is going to run him out of town.
 
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kptvol said:
I won't argue with you anymore over Saban. I think he'll be quite successful at Bama. The only problem I have is with these homers that act like Fulmer is going to run him out of town.
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You'd have to be a big homer to think Fulmer would run anybody out of town. But it tugs both ways. Is Saban going to runTubberville, Meyer, Richt, Fulmer, Miles and Spurrier out of town?
 
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kptvol said:
I won't argue with you anymore over Saban. I think he'll be quite successful at Bama. The only problem I have is with these homers that act like Fulmer is going to run him out of town.
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I agree. That definitely is wishful thinking. We've been spoiled the past 10 years or so in the Alabama series.
 
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Jasongivm6 said:
You'd have to be a big homer to think Fulmer would run anybody out of town. But it tugs both ways. Is Saban going to runTubberville, Meyer, Richt, Fulmer, Miles and Spurrier out of town?
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He won't play Richt, Meyer, or Spurrier enough to do that even if he went undefeated against those three. I think he might just be the end of big Phil. The jobs of Tubberville and Miles just got a bit less secure, for sure.

Hilariously, I remember a few insane fans trying to claim that when Spurrier left Florida it was because Phil had passed him by.
 
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The effect that Saban could have on Richt especially is if he starts yanking recruits out of GA. Richt's success has been built on keeping kids home.
 
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Well, it feels proud to be an SEC fan when you're talking about overated coaches in a conference where 1/4 of them have NC rings. (Could have possibly been a 1/3 of them)
 
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