Wow! Stay classy OU

Just curious- if I typed a bunch of racial slurs into a post, is it the opinion of some here that me being banned would be unconstitutional?

Looking through the comments I think you'd probably get more than one "white knight" who would protest your ban.

You know how I know we don't live in a post-racial America? Because people are trying to shoe-horn dumb first amendment rights arguments into this situation. I honestly don't know how many more times it can be said that you are more than free to say racist, scumbag, stuff but that you do not have a right to face zero social repercussions from it.
 
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Looking through the comments I think you'd probably get more than one "white knight" who would protest your ban.

You know how I know we don't live in a post-racial America? Because people are trying to shoe-horn dumb first amendment rights arguments into this situation. I honestly don't know how many more times it can be said that you are more than free to say racist, scumbag, stuff but that you do not have a right to face zero social repercussions from it.

You nailed it! We're all racists because we defended their right to do so.

I'm sure the two black civil liberties/rights lawyers I watched defend their right to do so on Fox News are anti-black racists as well.
 
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You nailed it! We're all racists because we defended their right to do so.

I'm sure the two black civil liberties/rights lawyers I watched defend their right to do so on Fox News are anti-black racists as well.

Pointing out that someone has every right to be racist doesn't make you a racist.
 
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Looking through the comments I think you'd probably get more than one "white knight" who would protest your ban.

You know how I know we don't live in a post-racial America? Because people are trying to shoe-horn dumb first amendment rights arguments into this situation. I honestly don't know how many more times it can be said that you are more than free to say racist, scumbag, stuff but that you do not have a right to face zero social repercussions from it.

You know how I know we don't live in a post-racial America? Because the Supreme Court still allows unqualified people to get jobs and into schools because of their race. But we are about to see a change- like Chief Justice Roberts said, the only way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race. A change is coming, where everyone truly will be treated equally. I'm just not sure how much those clamoring for it are really gonna like it.
 
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You know how I know we don't live in a post-racial America? Because the Supreme Court still allows unqualified people to get jobs and into schools because of their race. But we are about to see a change- like Chief Justice Roberts said, the only way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race. A change is coming, where everyone truly will be treated equally. I'm just not sure how much those clamoring for it are really gonna like it.

We will never live in a post racial America. There is too much money to be made, and too much power to be gained the way that it is now.

When they have everyone dumbed down, and the same color, it will be easier.
 
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We will never live in a post racial America. There is too much money to be made, and too much power to be gained the way that it is now.

When they have everyone dumbed down, and the same color, it will be easier.

I just envisioned the last pigmented person in a world of albinos.
 
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I personally can't stand the hypocrisy in this country. Why is it that anytime something like this happens it's national news and all the libs come out guns, I mean knives, blazing. Yet, when black on white crimes occur, or a black person says racially insensitive things about white people (happens much more than the opposite) it's no big deal? Is what the OU guys did wrong? Absolutely, but so was expelling them and showing the double standard that is occurring across the country on an alarming basis.

That's why Greek life is going down the toilet, because we hold true to our conservative values while the rest of the country goes down the toilet following all the liberals.
 
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The question should be, where was this reaction when one of their own football players assaulted a girl and was then reinstated to the football team?

The reaction was as followed:

“The judicial outcome and the video speak for themselves,” Boren said. “The University is an educational institution, which always sets high standards that we hope will be upheld by our students. We hope that our students will all learn from those standards, but at the same time, we believe in second chances so that our students can learn and grow from life’s experiences.”
 
The reaction was as followed:

“The judicial outcome and the video speak for themselves,” Boren said. “The University is an educational institution, which always sets high standards that we hope will be upheld by our students. We hope that our students will all learn from those standards, but at the same time, we believe in second chances so that our students can learn and grow from life’s experiences.”

Yep, just so long as you are a DI athlete.
 
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Not surprising to hear this from someone that was not in a Greek orgnization.

Some quick facts to consider:
• There are over 9 million Greek members nationally
• Of the nation’s 50 largest corporations, 43 are headed by fraternity men.
• 85% of the Fortune 500 executives belong to a fraternity.
• 40 of 47 U.S. Supreme Court Justices since 1910 were fraternity men.
• 76% of all Congressmen and Senators belong to a fraternity.
• Every U.S. President and Vice President, except two in each office, born since the first social fraternity was founded in 1825 have been members of a fraternity.
• 63% of the U.S. President’s Cabinet members since 1900 have been Greek.
• A National Conference report shows a high percentage of the 4,000 NIC fraternity chapters are above the All-Men’s scholastic average on their respective campuses.
• A U.S. Government study shows that over 70% of all those who join a fraternity/sororitiy graduate, while under 50% of all non-fraternity/sorority persons graduate.
• Less than 2% of an average college student’s expenses go toward fraternity dues. (U.S. Office of Education)
• Over 85% of the student leaders on some 730 campuses are involved in the Greek community.
• 1st Female Senator was Greek
• 1st Female Astronaut was Greek
• All of the Apollo 11 Astronauts are Greek
• Over $7 million is raised each year by Greeks nationally
• The Greek system is the largest network of volunteers in the US, with members donating over 10 million hours of volunteer service each year 71% of those listed in “Who’s Who in America” belong to a fraternity
• As Alumni, Greeks give approximately 75% of all money donated to universities
• There are 123 fraternities and sororities with 9 million members total There are 750,000 undergraduate members in 12,000 chapters on more than 800 campuses in the USA and Canada

I'm just going out on a limb here but I'm guessing you support fraternities. ...right?
 
Can a public university expel a student for singing an offensive song?

There are mountains of case law that show that the courts, the Supreme Court in particular, recognize that a public school can limit the rights of student speech whether on campus, off campus, online, or otherwise.

The most illustrative case is one styled (IIRC) Tinker v. Des Moines Independent School District from 1969. What it says, basically, is that a school can punish for student speech if there is a possibility of a 'substantial disruption.'

Since 1969 courts have wrestled with the idea of 'substantial disruption' and have, at least in my humble view, continued to lower the bar to the point that the speech neither has to be substantial nor a disruption. Further cases have shown that the schools can use this standard to punish students who have spoken off campus, online, and even in their own diary.

This is an incredibly broad, complicated, and often nuanced area of jurisprudence. For anyone interested, I highly suggest the book "Let the Students Speak! A History of the Fight for Free Expression in American Schools" written by Vanderbilt trained law professor, and good friend of mine, Mr. David L. Hudson, Jr..

Ultimately your question is still open. Specifically, the question becomes do the courts use the same standards in public university settings as they do for other public places of learning? I don't know.

If so, the student's likely have no recourse. In fact, the student's would have much less recourse than their professors who, if fired for the same speech, would have a viable lawsuit against the university for a deprivation of their first amendment rights.
 
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