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[BWeller18]

Milo, most assistant coaches would like to get a head coaching job, regardless of the Conference. Look at Meyer, he bounced around at BG, Utah, and now he has one of the biggest positions in football.

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by milohimself+Dec 7, 2004 11:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (milohimself @ Dec 7, 2004 11:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-allvol@Dec 7, 2004 8:44 AM
I also forgot Utah, where Chow played his college ball.

Played at Utah and coached at BYU? As there is a heavy mormon population around here, we usually put a lot of kids through BYU, and their rivalry with Utah is INTENSE. That&#39;s like playing for Alabama and coaching at Tennessee. [/quote]
Bill Battle played at Alabama and coached at Tennessee. Ken Donohue was the defensive coordinator for Bear Bryant for decades at Alabama.... he played college ball at Tennessee.

Chow played 2 seasons at Utah and coached 27 years at BYU... I&#39;m sure both would claim him as successful as he&#39;s been.

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by milohimself@Dec 7, 2004 11:51 AM
Leaving his spot as basically co-head coach with Pete Carroll would be a tough sell, especially if they know they&#39;ve got a team this young who&#39;s playing in the National Championship.

BYU is in the Mountain West, leaving his spot would be a recession -- You have to go undefeated there to gain any notoriety for your team, which would mean getting past Utah, which will probably still be strong (not BCS strong) even after Meyer leaves.

Any coach with a brain in their skull will realize that Notre Dame is a death sentence. Their academic standards are too high for most athletes to meet, nobody really wants to play there anymore, and boosters will be expecting a 10 win season the moment he puts his foot through the door. Expectations of any high profile coaching job there would be way too high, and I&#39;m sure he, and the rest of the coaches in the country, realized that after witnessing what happened to Ty Willingham.

So, BYU is a maybe at best, although I don&#39;t know why he would.

I would say that Chow is not getting head coach&#39;s pay at USC. Money talks, and... well... you know the rest of the saying.

 

[milohimself]

Well, I&#39;m still not sold on the idea. Not saying it can&#39;t happen, but I don&#39;t know. We&#39;ll just see what happens, there have been lots of suprises this year in coaching all around the country.

 

[crazyguy]

Chow has been mentioned going to Stanford...not sure if it will happen but it needs to be added to the conversation

 

[milohimself]

Stanford is plagued with similar problems as Notre Dame, except much worse

 

[GAVol]

On top of the academic requirements, I&#39;ve heard that Stanford has a serious problem attracting decent assistant coaches due to the fact that housing costs in Berkley are astronomical.

 

[milohimself]

Cal is in Berkley, Stanford is south of San Francisco bay, halfway between San Jose and San Francisco.

 

[allvol]

Milo, if you were making around &#036;150k to &#036;200k per year and you had the chance to be &#39;the man&#39; ie. head coach and make around &#036;1mil, you&#39;d pass it up?

 

[crazyguy]

Originally posted by allvol@Dec 7, 2004 3:38 PM
Milo, if you were making around &#036;150k to &#036;200k per year and you had the chance to be &#39;the man&#39; ie. head coach and make around &#036;1mil, you&#39;d pass it up?

I know that the ?ion wasn&#39;t directed at me but I wouldn&#39;t...

 

[milohimself]

No. &#036;150k to &#036;200k is plenty pay for me, and if I am already successful, I would stay. Especially in the climate today. Teams across the country are demanding immediate turnaround from a new coach if things slip even a bit.

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by milohimself@Dec 7, 2004 3:44 PM
No. &#036;150k to &#036;200k is plenty pay for me, and if I am already successful, I would stay. Especially in the climate today. Teams across the country are demanding immediate turnaround from a new coach if things slip even a bit.

Yes, but you&#39;ve got money in your pocket... and if they get rid of you, the rest of your contract is guaranteed too.... so they would pay you NOT to coach. 5-year contract worth &#036;5mil.... if they fire you after 3... you still get paid for 2 more.


Here is another analogy then. Your Vice President for a huge company... everything is going fine.... you get offered 5 times your current salary to be the CEO of another big company.... you would pass it up?


Or we could put it in real terms. You like your job... but you barely scrape by on &#036;20,000 a year, eating bologna and saltine crackers. However, you get offered a job with another company with a higher profile job (that looks good on a resume) for &#036;100,000 per year. Also, if you are married and you turn that other job down... you&#39;ll be a dead man.

Remember, everybody&#39;s position in life is relative.... whether it be &#036;20,000 to &#036;100,000 or &#036;200k to &#036;1mil.... noboby passes that up.

 

[GVF]

Well said Milo. That is why I don&#39;t understand our lack of support for our coaching. I know a lot of coaching staffs have long timers, but how many of htem are major programs. Just look at the ACC and SEC. B Bowden, Fulmer, Beemer, Saban on his way but still young tenure wise, Richt will be a long timer, Tubberville as long as the program stays up and no more 4 loss seasons. Honestly, that&#39;s all I can think of out of these 23 teams that have committed to coaches or now have coaches that will be staying. If I were a good assistant that could weather head coach rollercoasters, I would stay put. Unless of course the termination umbrela was going to set me up for life. If you are going to take a stabb at Head coaching, go where you will do as well unemployed as you will employed.

 

[milohimself]

Nope. I would rather have a solid job under a talented head coach who will be staying at that school for quite some time than head out to another school. That&#39;s treading dangerous waters, even if they continue to pay you. Getting fired at a school like that is a rep-ruiner.

 

[allvol]

Milo, you&#39;ll understand better when you get out of school, get a family and career. Everybody wants to better themselves. A head coaching job on the resume looks pretty good... and the pay is not too bad either

 

[milohimself]

That kinda green does sound sweet. If I saw an opportunity where I could go in, look impressive within three seasons, and get a solid position, I would. But I just don&#39;t think that kind of situation exists anymore.

 

[GVF]

Both sides have their point. If the talented head coach gets canned, he&#39;ll take his top coaches with them wherever he goes and still pay them &#036;200,000. But, as a manager myself, and one that reports to a general manager, we are all only as good as those that work for us. A talented head coach is one that is getting his assisants to do their/his job while he gets the credit and the dough. Fulmer is good about passing the credit on and working for raises, as any class coach would. Some guys are happy and content with the role, as the head coach always gets the grief and therefore the pay. But, assistants are not protected. Refer to the house cleaning at Clemson. If you gotta go, go with the big bucks. A couple years at head coach, then getting canned with a couple mil buyout would better take care of my family than severence on a 200k job. Depnds on what you want and if you are happy in the trenches or on the throne.

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by milohimself@Dec 7, 2004 4:16 PM
That kinda green does sound sweet. If I saw an opportunity where I could go in, look impressive within three seasons, and get a solid position, I would. But I just don&#39;t think that kind of situation exists anymore.

That is how Urban Meyer has done it. He&#39;s looked for opportunities to come in and coach team&#39;s that already has talent. He did it with Bowling Green and now Utah. He&#39;s only been head coach 2 years at BG and 2 years at Utah... so there&#39;s no proof of how well he recruits. He&#39;s lucky at Florida because the Zook is a great recruiter and the talent is abundant at Florida.

If Chow picks the right school... ie Utah, the talent is there... at least to win the MWC. BYU, would give him more time based on his 27 years being affiliated with the school and the mediocrity they just went through with Crowton.

The reason that Cutcliffe was fired at Ole Miss was because expectations had been raised while Manning was the quarterback. Same at Notre Dame, where Willingham had a great record his first year to raise everybody&#39;s expectations.

Currently, there are no expectations at BYU.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Milo, if you don&#39;t mind me asking, how old are you? (Approximately is fine).

I used to live in the same type of idealistic world -- seriously, NOTHING wrong with that. I wish that things weren&#39;t necessarily the way they are. BUT -- as long as money spends, money will buy.

This is the same kind of argument that people try to fight by saying that college ballers should stick around and finish out their education. Outside of Utopia, if you dangle a 10-zillion-dollar cookie in front of a players or a coaches mouth, they&#39;re gonna bite the hell out of it. And not a one of us who pays bills, supports a family, haggles for a higher salary or works overtime could dare fault them&#33;

 

[milohimself]

It&#39;s just what I&#39;d personally do.

What other people do is how they act, and on Chow, none of us can predict what he&#39;ll do.

And I&#39;m 16, turning 17 in a month

 

[allvol]

I&#39;m 33 and alot like you in regards to wanting to work in a job I like. However, having 4 dependants has really opened my eyes to what I prioritize in life.

 

[volmanjr]

show me the money&#33; ....not me ...I like what I do for a living could make alot more doing something else but my job keeps the bills paid and I don&#39;t dread going to work every day and it also lets me have time to spend with my dependants and as they say in the comercial that&#39;s priceless. Don&#39;t get me wrong if they offered me more money at my current job I would take it .