WR's Dropped passes the last 4 years

#26
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Coaches will tell you, if it hits you in the hands then that’s a catchable ball. The only exception made sometimes is when a guy is laying out full extension, which creates a more difficult catch. Most experts will tell you dropped passes are primarily on the receiver. Even if you say roughly 30% of the drops can be attributed to the QB, Nico still had a worse receiving corps to work with than most contending teams. 30% of 15.8% = 4.74%, so if it’s a 30/70 split in blame then Nico still had to deal with an 11% drop rate.
My coach would tell us if ya get one hand on it, you could have caught it. 2 hands, you should have caught it.

All jokes aside, the OP states "on target passes" which would indicate the ball was where it was supposed to be and the WR just did not bring it in. It would also mean it was not the QB doing it wrong. A dropped pass is 99%of the tine on the WR because it means he had his hands on the dang ball.
 
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Please don’t ever bring up your backyard football credentials again. I promise that catching a 30 mph meatball from your buddy in 7th grade isn’t the same as college football.

All I know is that 3 of his 4 receivers all played much better with a different quarterback before Nico. That’s gotta mean something.
It means nothing.

Drops, when placed in the proper box, will always be on the WR when dropped. I've never heard ANY scout say otherwise. Except you.. a Vol Nation member who posts nothing but negative and daunting posts. So as I've said before.. user name checks out yet again.
 
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Thornton will be a late round pick and make a roster. Not so sure about Bru and Squirrel.

It's disturbing that the room is regressing even as they get more experienced.
they are regressing as they are given more responsibility. I'm going to just come out and say it. Squirrel was the biggest bust on our offense this past year. Can't create separation, poor hands, and his only redeeming quality was his speed and "cool" nickname.
 
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Coaches will tell you, if it hits you in the hands then that’s a catchable ball. The only exception made sometimes is when a guy is laying out full extension, which creates a more difficult catch. Most experts will tell you dropped passes are primarily on the receiver. Even if you say roughly 30% of the drops can be attributed to the QB, Nico still had a worse receiving corps to work with than most contending teams. 30% of 15.8% = 4.74%, so if it’s a 30/70 split in blame then Nico still had to deal with an 11% drop rate.

Squirrel’s issue is he never catches the ball with his hands. Always catches it with his arms, which reduces his already small catching radius. Maybe the shoulder injury prevented him from doing that but I recall him doing that his entire career and was never really a great receiving option. Bru was never the same after the injury. Always a step too slow and couldn’t create separation. Thornton was the best receiver on the team but was always nicked up. The receivers just weren’t good enough, plain and simple. A complete change in that room is what was needed, just like the secondary last offseason.
best two posts in this thread.

@LegionnaireOfTheMiserable take notes of how to make a well articulated post with valid points.
 
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One thing that hasn't been brought up is unnecessary velocity that can make a pass harder to catch, such as short passes over the middle in traffic. Milton had this problem. So did Elway early in his career. Many other big arms probably did too.

I was also surprised to see the drop rates be equal for Hooker and Milton. This not match my recollection from when Milton took over. 🤷‍♂️
 
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My coach would tell us if ya get one hand on it, you could have caught it. 2 hands, you should have caught it.

All jokes aside, the OP states "on target passes" which would indicate the ball was where it was supposed to be and the WR just did not bring it in. It would also mean it was not the QB doing it wrong. A dropped pass is 99%of the tine on the WR because it means he had his hands on the dang ball.
Yes I understand “on target” but as some have stated you have to take into account inappropriate velocity changes from a young QB. I was just using 30% as an arbitrary number. I think the vast majority of people put almost all the blame on the receiver though, with minimal blame on the QB. The WR job is to catch the ball, the QB job is to get it there. It’s not really the QB fault if they make an accurate throw but the WR can’t catch it.
 
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So is Nico throwing to the wrong window or just not where they are supposed to be ? Also I don't give af we all played back yard football with no routes assigned. If the ball touches your damn hands catch it..... one of the most basic concepts in all of football. You know the word drops? It means they freaking dropped it. I know when a football touches my fingers they should too
100%...as a mildly average wr in high school, that was the expectation, just like in baseball if you are hitting with a man on second base, it's your job to advance the runner...if you don't you failed. Even as a db, if the ball's in your area, it's your job to compete and high point the ball for interception. We need burners on the outside, for sure, but we a few more of these guys.
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Thornton will be a late round pick and make a roster. Not so sure about Bru and Squirrel.

It's disturbing that the room is regressing even as they get more experienced.
Yeah, it's not like we had Pickens, Harper, etc NFL guys out there. Just as disturbing, to me, is that we couldn't get Matthews on the field...he showed flashed his talent, but there were WR frosh all over the country making an impact on games. It's obvious to me that we value him b/c we got aggressive to keep him, so, to me, it's on the staff for lack of getting him on the field, even though he had an injury thing in early part of season.
 
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2022 saw Jaylin Hyatt, Bru McCoy, and Cedric Tillman as starters. I believe Ramel Keaton was in for the injured Tillman and Squirrel started taking more reps, too.

2023 had no Hyatt and no Tillman (both play in the NFL)
2024 had no Keyton (also, in the NFL)

White can’t catch a ball unless he is falling to the ground.
Thornton taps out every time he is hiit
Brazell is only in his second year.

Clearly the talent at WR is lacking. But sure, Nico’s throwing it the wrong way.
 
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The difference between 10% and 16% is 20 passes. That increases his completion percentage by just shy of 1%. Im not saying it isn’t a problem, but let’s not overreact.
 
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Legion of the miserable posting his usual BS trash. Dude thinks he knows about football. He thinks we should just overlook the many great passes thrown by Joe and Nico that were flat out dropped. Oh he brings up Bru? Bru doesn’t look anywhere close to what he did in his first year. I guess his injury had nothing to do with it 🙄. Let’s just ignore the almost 10 TD passes in 2023 that were dropped. Oh but Joe. lol. The WRs practice on machines that throw it harder than Joe did.

Yeah obviously all these drops were on Nico. I mean what most of us witness was fake. We didn’t see the WRs dropping passes. We’re all of the perfect? Nope. But many hit them in the hands and were dropped. At the college level, you should catch something that hits you in the hands. Yeah let’s ignore multiple sports broadcasters and analysts that said our WRs were not very good. We should just all take legions of the miserable child’s word. He is almost in D4H level idiocy.
I actually prefer D4H over him.
 
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Receivers dropped passes. AND Nico has not developed the skill to read Ds and find the right guy consistently. Why some want to completely absolve him as being part of the problem is beyond me. You can complain about protection but about as often as not he held the ball too long after being confused by coverage. The OL always needs to be better. The WRs always need to be better. AND Nico needs to be better.

BTW, the job of the OL gets a lot harder if a DC sees ways that a QB is consistently confused with coverage. It allows them to dedicate more guys to containment or pass rush. Again, Nico isn't 100% to blame but it isn't everyone else's fault either.
 
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It means nothing.

Drops, when placed in the proper box, will always be on the WR when dropped. I've never heard ANY scout say otherwise. Except you.. a Vol Nation member who posts nothing but negative and daunting posts. So as I've said before.. user name checks out yet again.

I've attempted to address this before, but the problem for Tenn receivers have had the last two years is this.

The QB's starting for this team over the past two years have elite arm talent. Both of them throw the ball not only with significant velocity but also with impressive RPM's/revolutions they create when they uncork the ball. Both at an elite/NFL caliber. That type of velocity and RPMs requires receivers with equally elite abilities to catch the football. Thornton and Bru were probably the only two guys on the team that had the ability to consistently catch pro-caliber balls in high pressure situations, but the problem was Thornton couldn't stay on the field constantly getting sidelined with injuries and Bru never fully recovered to his pre-injury speed and route running. So, WR's were worse this past year even moreso than they were for Milton. Nico needs help at the WR position.
 
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WTH Does a different QB have to do with a dropped pass???
I've wondered that too but I have been told certain QBs throw a more catchable pass than others. Whether they may not put as much spin or velocity or maybe its certain QBs throw more to the condition of the play versus someone like Milton that threw a rocket about every pass. I know Mahomes throws it different in a lot of different dynamic situations from a underhand throw or a shovel toss to a rocket when needed.
 
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they are regressing as they are given more responsibility. I'm going to just come out and say it. Squirrel was the biggest bust on our offense this past year. Can't create separation, poor hands, and his only redeeming quality was his speed and "cool" nickname.
In fairness to him, he was injured for a lot of the season and had a pretty good year last year. I see it as an indictment of the coaches for continuing to ay him when he only had one working shoulder and of the backups for not being good enough for whatever reason to get those reps.
 
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The difference between 10% and 16% is 20 passes. That increases his completion percentage by just shy of 1%. Im not saying it isn’t a problem, but let’s not overreact.
That 20 passes could have been the difference in finishing 11-1 or 12-0 in the regular season and hosting or getting a bye in the CFP vs going 10-2 and going on the road in the CFP.
 
#47
#47
Hard to catch a ball when you don’t know where it will be. All you have to do is watch the start of that UTEP game to know that Nico is a long way from where he should be. Other elements could and should be better, but it starts with him.
That's why that % was on catchable balls. Which means it basically hit them in the hands and has zero to do with knowing where the ball was.

I do agree that Nico did miss some wide open WR's, especially on the deep ball. But he got better with that as the season went along.
 
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Nah bro. Nico sucks. VN and FB told me so.
I'm one of his biggest critics and even I don't think he sucks. But he dang sure isn't "as advertised" and he definitely isn't living up to the NIL money he's getting. We are missing out of other players that would add quality to our depth and could be the difference between breaking through to the next level but instead we are giving all that money to one guy. At the end of the day we could fix all problems with more money. But so far that's not in the cards and as log as that's the case, we are not going to improve. Sure we can eliminate dropping the once a season game to inferior teams, a la Arkansas, but getting past Georgia and getting beyond the first or second round of the playoffs is a pipe dream.
 
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But hey lets blame the QB and whatever his money amount is
Exactly! Some are acting like he's a 3 yr starter and has started 30+ games. Comparing Nico's 1st year and Peyton's, it's not even close. Nico had much better stats as a 1st year starter and doesn't turn it over like Peyton . I think Nico takes the next step this upcoming year and has a great Sophomore season. Of course that's with the Oline improving with pass blocking, the WR's not dropping passes and Nico becoming more accurate on the deep ball. Definitely blame to go around and not solely on Nico. Pretty amazing how some of our fans just like to bitch and blame 1 player without looking at the big picture. It's pretty impressive how wrong some of them are.
 
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