are Gen X and Y going to get Social Security or Medicare? I am paying for it every paycheck, but its not going to be there when we retire.
dismissing a valid point is expected from an ostrich type like yourself.
Of course its valid to say that both programs need restructuring, although the "its not going to be there when I retire" statement is false. Studies show it will be there, the issue is whether the benefit will be as fully projected now, or will it be reduced. I recall seeing projections along the lines of something like 75 % of the benefit would still be available.
No one is saying we don't need to address these issues. Of course we do.
But it is a falsehood to say that Ryan's plan fixes these problems any more than does the ACA. The difference is, the ACA is not touted as fixing these problems, whereas the Ryan plan is promoted as resolving these problems, and it doesn't.
I appreciate the fact that Ryan wants to at least begin an earnest debate about it. But what is really lurking behind the debate, even as he and Romney frame it, is who pays?
And when I say "pay," I mean what combination of cuts in these programs, combined with taxation policy, will get us to a reasonable and manageable level of debt? It simply cannot be ignored that Romney and Ryan, holding true to their constituents, would place the larger part of the burden on the poor and the working middle class, exempting the investor class from paying for it with their gains on income or business, whereas Obama and the Democrats would place a larger part of the burden on the upper class.
This is the debate we've had for decades, basically since the1930's, and both sides characterize it in a way that they think makes their position more palatable.
That's why I said you can quote Daily Beast, I can quote Kos, and its just a matter of the terminology both use totry to make their position look better.
