Year 1 successes

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ejvols4 said:
The regression is what is concerning. Very little player development so far. Outside of Lane (and maybe North) im not expecting anything special from anyone next year.
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Worley was getting better with each game before he got hurt, but you can only go so far in development with this roster. Playing really good teams exposes that. I mean, Mizzou and Auburn turned out to be worlds better than UF and UGA.
 
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AZVOLSFAN said:
All I know is that I expect CBJ to coach the Vols to 6 wins, minimum, next season. Nothing less. A 7th win would be great. But 5 or less will be very disappointing.
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Better buyout the Oklahoma game then - you minus Oregon from this season and add a div 2 cupcake and then 6 wins would be a done deal next week.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
So, expecting other players to step up their game and contribute is unreasonable, huh? That's the mentality we have been stuck with for years, and it's killed this football team.
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How do you know players out there didn't hit their ceiling? We are playing walk ons and freshmen. We are playing kids no one wanted against the toughest schedule ever. You are out there if you believe you actually can make chicken salad out of chicken ****.
 
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Vandy is on their 3rd coach in 5 seasons and their recruiting has been nowhere near what UT's has been except for the 2013 class.

Talent and depth issues didn't arrive out of nowhere. There was certainly a lot of optimism on here ALL off-season. As soon as anyone brought up talent and depth they were quickly reminded of the top 20 recruiting classes UT had signed.

At some point you have to play and develop the players you have. Mizzou and Vandy both played Fr. qb's this year but got production out of them. Maybe their coaches did a better job in preparation. I'm not a coach, I don't know. I only know what I see and I see a UT team that is behaving like a Dooley coached team. Sad to say.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
OP is spot-on!

There have been some 1st year turnarounds, but they have almost always come at programs where the previous coach brought in loads of talent, but failed to use it effectively. The three most obvious cases in the past decade:

1. Urban Meyer at Florida (took over for Ron Zook),
2. Houston Nutt at Ole Miss (took over for Ed Orgeron), and
3. Gus Malzahn at Auburn (took over for Gene Chizik)

All three of those programs recruited spectacularly well in the years before the turnaround. We're not anywhere close to those situations. We're in the opposite boat --- we have very little talent and depth and have basically been turned into a bottom-tier SEC team talent-wise over the past five years.

We have to correct the talent gap to become competitive again. Whether Butch will ultimately be successful is an open question, but we do know that he's addressing the talent gap issue very well. Ultimately, we should start seeing tangible results by Year 2 or Year 3. If at the end of Y3, we're still going 5-7 or 6-6, that's probably a bad sign.

But it's completely unrealistic to have expected a massive turnaround in Year 1 given the dysfunctional environment Butch inherited.
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Franklin took over a 2-10 Vandy team and went 6-7 in "year zero" and 9-4 his second year.

Back to back wins against the Vols leaves me with little patience for these 3-5 year plans.

Maybe for any championship contention but going .500 shouldn't have been too much to ask.

We needed marginal improvement and a bowl this year, after all, that was the head man's stated goals all season.

We got neither one with that dud last night though.
 
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James Franklin went 6-6 his first year with a team the went 2-10 the two prior seasons. Also beyond frustrated that Butch and co. don't tailor there system to their players. When Candys started got hurt earlier in the year the backup came in and Vandy ran a whole new offense and knocked of UGA and Florida. Thats coaching!
 
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So kiff n fools make a bowl with walk ons n a complete exit when fools was hired but this staff which has more complete roster can't beat a freaking candy team with a bowl game on the line.

This staff underachieved at 5 wins n if the lose to kent they sux period.

U guys kill me yes he will get 3 years but to act like this staff is special is stupid.. 6 freaking games this staff couldn't win n next year now the goal is 6 wins.. Again a freaking joke this was the year to get a bowl n then u guys had the excuse we would sux due to all freshman.

Now he has the chance to have a losing record his first two years..people that is freaking acceptable at any level.

Yes I'm pissed n I pissed at everyone saying its OK..
 
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ejvols4 said:
The regression is what is concerning. Very little player development so far. Outside of Lane (and maybe North) im not expecting anything special from anyone next year.
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Don't you think the QUALTY OF THE TEAMS we have played lately makes the quality of progress look bad? Not to mention injuries at key positions when we HAVE NO DEPTH!

It really does not take a person with much football knowledge to figure it out which is why some of these negative threads never cease to amaze me!
 
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I know its Butchs first yr but the way we lost last night is sickening. We had plenty of opportunities to win this gm. We couldn't even throw the ball down the field against Vandys backups in the secondary. If it wasn't for Vandy beating their selves last night we would have got blowed out. They gave us every way in the world to win and nobody steped up and made a play. Its really scary looking to next yr hell it will probably be worse.
 
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fade route said:
You simply cannot inherit a team lacking in SEC quality talent, little to no depth, inexperience at most of your skill positions, and a roster full of guys who have played in a culture of expecting to lose, and turn it around in one year. I'm simply amazed at the lack of perspective, historical context, and overall lack of knowledge of how college football works that this board has displayed the last 18 hours. It's truly stunning.
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Tennessee being able to beat Vanderbilt is not a "stunning... lack of perspective, historical context, and overall lack of knowledge of how college football works..."

In fact, Tennessee beating Vanderbilt is the complete opposite of that.
 
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92volalum said:
So kiff n fools make a bowl with walk ons n a complete exit when fools was hired but this staff which has more complete roster can't beat a freaking candy team with a bowl game on the line.

This staff underachieved at 5 wins n if the lose to kent they sux period.

U guys kill me yes he will get 3 years but to act like this staff is special is stupid.. 6 freaking games this staff couldn't win n next year now the goal is 6 wins.. Again a freaking joke this was the year to get a bowl n then u guys had the excuse we would sux due to all freshman.

Now he has the chance to have a losing record his first two years..people that is freaking acceptable at any level.

Yes I'm pissed n I pissed at everyone saying its OK..
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Nobody is saying it is OK but I am saying the terrible state of the program last year is going to take more than a year to fix. I am also saying all these negative statements about the players and coaches is not doing one single thing to fix the problem. Look how long it took Majors! I would say the program is just about in the same shape as when Majors took over.
 
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92volalum said:
Oh don't use examples the sunshine sheep will say but but but blah blah give him 5 years..
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Since you seem to have a vast amount of football knowledge, why don't you enlighten all of us with EXACTLY what should happen that would make us a top 5 team next year?
 
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Volforevera said:
James Franklin went 6-6 his first year with a team the went 2-10 the two prior seasons. Also beyond frustrated that Butch and co. don't tailor there system to their players. When Candys started got hurt earlier in the year the backup came in and Vandy ran a whole new offense and knocked of UGA and Florida. Thats coaching!
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I wonder, did he play 7 teams that were rated in the top ten that 6-6 year? I suspect that might have something to do with it. They were so bad they could not beat a DOWN Tennessee team!
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Tennessee being able to beat Vanderbilt is not a "stunning... lack of perspective, historical context, and overall lack of knowledge of how college football works..."

In fact, Tennessee beating Vanderbilt is the complete opposite of that.
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They're 7-4 and will probably be 8-4, possible 9-4 with a bowl win. They also beat UGA and UF on their home fields. Sorry, but they are just better than us right now. So, beating Vandy because, well, they're Vandy is nonsense if thts what you're getting at.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
Didn't have a losing record though
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Nick Sabans first year at ALA 2007
1 Western Carolina (W) 52-6
2 Vanderbilt (W) 24-10
3 #16 Arkansas (W) 41-38
4 #22 Georgia (L) 23-26 vs #16 ALA
5 Florida State (L) 14-21 vs #22 ALA
6 Houston (W) 30-24
7 Ole Miss (W) 27-24
8 Tennessee (W) 41-17
9 #3 LSU (L) 34-41
10 Mississippi State (L) 12-17 vs #22 ALA
11 Louisiana–Monroe (L) 14-21
12 #25 Auburn (L) 10-17
13 Colorado (W) 30-24

Even though they did go to a bowl game his first year against Colorado, look at who they lost too, and sometimes lost as a ranked team.

You cant judge a coach on his first year.
 
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fade route said:
You simply cannot inherit a team lacking in SEC quality talent, little to no depth, inexperience at most of your skill positions, and a roster full of guys who have played in a culture of expecting to lose, and turn it around in one year. I'm simply amazed at the lack of perspective, historical context, and overall lack of knowledge of how college football works that this board has displayed the last 18 hours. It's truly stunning.


And before someone throws Malzahn out there, he inherited much more talent and a roster full of guys who knew how to run his system and knew how to win.....they're only 2 years removed from a NC.
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Remember when people where cheering when Bray and Hunter left early?
 
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fade route said:
You simply cannot inherit a team lacking in SEC quality talent, little to no depth, inexperience at most of your skill positions, and a roster full of guys who have played in a culture of expecting to lose, and turn it around in one year. I'm simply amazed at the lack of perspective, historical context, and overall lack of knowledge of how college football works that this board has displayed the last 18 hours. It's truly stunning.


And before someone throws Malzahn out there, he inherited much more talent and a roster full of guys who knew how to run his system and knew how to win.....they're only 2 years removed from a NC.
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Franklin will be going to his 3rd straight bowl game at Vandy and has done more with less in his tenure at Vandy. And yes Tennessee is a more talented team than Vandy.
 
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#48
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ejvols4 said:
The regression is what is concerning. Very little player development so far. Outside of Lane (and maybe North) im not expecting anything special from anyone next year.
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Lack of depth creates physical and mental fatigue....add in the toughest schedule in college football and you see sloppy fundamental football.
 
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