Yikes! 1 in 6 receiving govt. help

#26
#26
Ya the anti poverty programs account for smaller but now they are working the other "perks" and really a lot of us are guilty of being recipients. The EIC is one I can think of off the top of my head. I don't consider myself poor by any means but I believe we have gotten that in the past.
 
#27
#27
50 years of anti-poverty programs and guess what? there are still poor people in America. Some day, the left will realize that the social welfare system they've created is a failure (Bob Beckel, of all people, admitted this last night on "Hannity"). Of course, the left's epiphany will occur at about the same time the GOP realizes that their war on drugs has been a colossal failure as well.
 
#31
#31
It worked till FDR.

That and it is the job of the churches to feed the poor but that is an entirely other rant.
 
#35
#35
One of my favorite scenes in one of my favorite movies, Sergeant York, Ma York is in the local country store, I believe it is, and the store owner, who is also the Pastor (Walter Brennan), I forget the specifics, but he offers to give her something that they can't afford, and Ma York replies (I'm paraphrasing, can't find the quote online) "We won't be beholden to no one."

I don't know if it's naive nostalgia for the past, but I like to think Americans of past generations understood that taking something for free meant taking it from someone else, taking something that someone else's labor had earned, not theirs, and they were too proud to do such a thing.

Now go ahead a pop my balloon.
 
#36
#36
IBlvNTmWrk said:
I just don't get it... how exactly did people survive before government assistance???
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Well.... people in need of long term care went to sanitariums. They weren't all great by todays standard but they got cared for... at the expense of a church or some other charitable entity. People who lost a job or farm or crop leaned on their neighbors or church... and their neighbors leaned on them. All supported the church in part because of this.

Unwed mothers often married the father who was expected to marry a girl he got pregnant... and stay married to her regardless of whether either wanted it or not. In that era, the child's NEEDS outweighed the wants and ambitions of its reckless parents. It was a matter of honor... right and wrong... that just happened to also make for a very stable, peaceful, and prosperous society. If the father was gone or unnamed then the girl would go to a home for unwed mothers until after the birth. The child would go with orphaned children into church run orphanages. Those orphanages did a good job of training and instilling discipline in the children. Most went on to lead normal lives.

Then... the progressives took over and decided to "transform" these terrible flawed methods and institutions....
 
#37
#37
J-P said:
One of my favorite scenes in one of my favorite movies, Sergeant York, Ma York is in the local country store, I believe it is, and the store owner, who is also the Pastor (Walter Brennan), I forget the specifics, but he offers to give her something that they can't afford, and Ma York replies (I'm paraphrasing, can't find the quote online) "We won't be beholden to no one."

I don't know if it's naive nostalgia for the past, but I like to think Americans of past generations understood that taking something for free meant taking it from someone else, taking something that someone else's labor had earned, not theirs, and they were too proud to do such a thing.

Now go ahead a pop my balloon.
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My grandparents who lived in Jackson County, NC were basically subsistence farmers. Their only income for most of their marriage came from the sale of a hog or eggs or something like that. They raised 8 healthy, successful kids. My mom was the youngest and the only one that had running water inside for her whole childhood... it came from a spring... that didn't meet CW Act standards for drinking. All survived.

He died in the 60's and she died in the 70's... after he died family, not the gov't, took care of grandma.

Anyway, they lived in a house that was pretty typical "hillbilly". They heated with wood and slept alternating head up head down to get more kids in a bed. They slept upstairs which meant they might wake up with frost on their blanket. The roof was tin with no insulation. They made their own- canned, picked, dried, slaughtered, processed, preserved, knit, sewed, cobbled, blacksmithed, tilled, plowed, hoed, built,....

By today's standards they were profoundly impoverished and third world.

Once someone tried to get my grandfather to take gov't assistance... he told him, "That's for poor people."
 
#38
#38
sjt18 said:
My grandparents who lived in Jackson County, NC were basically subsistence farmers. Their only income for most of their marriage came from the sale of a hog or eggs or something like that. They raised 8 healthy, successful kids. My mom was the youngest and the only one that had running water inside for her whole childhood... it came from a spring... that didn't meet CW Act standards for drinking. All survived.

He died in the 60's and she died in the 70's... after he died family, not the gov't, took care of grandma.

Anyway, they lived in a house that was pretty typical "hillbilly". They heated with wood and slept alternating head up head down to get more kids in a bed. They slept upstairs which meant they might wake up with frost on their blanket. The roof was tin with no insulation. They made their own- canned, picked, dried, slaughtered, processed, preserved, knit, sewed, cobbled, blacksmithed, tilled, plowed, hoed, built,....

By today's standards they were profoundly impoverished and third world.

Once someone tried to get my grandfather to take gov't assistance... he told him, "That's for poor people."
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Thank you for sharing this. It sounds to me like they were skilled and blessed way beyond most of us in America today. :clap: :good!:
 
#39
#39
As Paul Harvey says, now you know the REST of the story about why I detest what social programs do to the human soul.
 
#40
#40
sjt18 said:
My grandparents who lived in Jackson County, NC were basically subsistence farmers. Their only income for most of their marriage came from the sale of a hog or eggs or something like that. They raised 8 healthy, successful kids. My mom was the youngest and the only one that had running water inside for her whole childhood... it came from a spring... that didn't meet CW Act standards for drinking. All survived.

He died in the 60's and she died in the 70's... after he died family, not the gov't, took care of grandma.

Anyway, they lived in a house that was pretty typical "hillbilly". They heated with wood and slept alternating head up head down to get more kids in a bed. They slept upstairs which meant they might wake up with frost on their blanket. The roof was tin with no insulation. They made their own- canned, picked, dried, slaughtered, processed, preserved, knit, sewed, cobbled, blacksmithed, tilled, plowed, hoed, built,....

By today's standards they were profoundly impoverished and third world.

Once someone tried to get my grandfather to take gov't assistance... he told him, "That's for poor people."
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Great read. I wish there were more like your grandparents now.
 
#41
#41
sjt18 said:
My grandparents who lived in Jackson County, NC were basically subsistence farmers. Their only income for most of their marriage came from the sale of a hog or eggs or something like that. They raised 8 healthy, successful kids. My mom was the youngest and the only one that had running water inside for her whole childhood... it came from a spring... that didn't meet CW Act standards for drinking. All survived.

He died in the 60's and she died in the 70's... after he died family, not the gov't, took care of grandma.

Anyway, they lived in a house that was pretty typical "hillbilly". They heated with wood and slept alternating head up head down to get more kids in a bed. They slept upstairs which meant they might wake up with frost on their blanket. The roof was tin with no insulation. They made their own- canned, picked, dried, slaughtered, processed, preserved, knit, sewed, cobbled, blacksmithed, tilled, plowed, hoed, built,....

By today's standards they were profoundly impoverished and third world.

Once someone tried to get my grandfather to take gov't assistance... he told him, "That's for poor people."
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sounds eerily like my father's crew. 10 brothers and sisters in a cotton farming family. Never had more than two nickels to rub together, but wouldn't have remotely considered gubmint cheese.
 
#42
#42
My Grandparents raised 10 kids in a small 3 bedroom house. Grandpa worked in what was known as "truck mines", small, non-union coal mines. There, if you didn't work, you didn't get paid. And Grandma cooked and fed the family with what they had. The usually had a hog to kill in the fall and a garden in the summer. All 10 kids went on to work for a living. Their car was an old Ford that was about 15 years old and grandpa seemed to always be working on it.

As a small child, some of the best times of my life were when I would go spend the night with them.

I'm not persuaded by a lot of the new, better ways we have today. The old saying "Root hog, or die." seems a lot more realistic to me.
 
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