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#76
#76
utvolpj said:
and that's kind of what I'm getting at. Some seem to want these people to have no rights just because they disagree with them. If they just stand there with signs are people still saying they aren't protected?
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Yea, you explained the viewpoint in the other thread quite well. I tend to agree. I hate them and everything they stand for, but they have their rights, like I have mine.

I won't be lobbying to have Arizona overturn their law, though.
 
#77
#77
utvolpj said:
arbitrary limit but let's go with it. So if the KKK wants to have an assembly should they be forced to be a 1/2 mile away from any black person?
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Is "what" they are protesting important at all? Tell me what their protest is in regard to a 9 year old girl's funeral. Does the first amendment give you carte blanche to be a disruptive presence at a personal gathering?

(I'm not being confrontational in this question. I'm thinking and asking.)
 
#78
#78
vollygirl said:
Is "what" they are protesting important at all? Tell me what their protest is in regard to a 9 year old girl's funeral. Does the first amendment give you carte blanche to be a disruptive presence at a personal gathering?

(I'm not being confrontational in this question. I'm thinking and asking.)
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As long as those doing the assembly are peaceful, and within the limits of the laws on the books... yea.
 
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#79
fl0at said:
As long as those doing the assembly are peaceful, and within the limits of the laws on the books... yea.
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So the right to assemble in protest means the right to do it anywhere you chose? Where is my right to do the same?
 
#80
#80
utvolpj said:
how? People are saying it in this thread and have on here many times before. Many, many others feel the same way
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Never mentioned they couldn't protest.

But is it about getting your point across in the protest, or actually being able to do it?
 
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#81
vollygirl said:
Is "what" they are protesting important at all? Tell me what their protest is in regard to a 9 year old girl's funeral. Does the first amendment give you carte blanche to be a disruptive presence at a personal gathering?

(I'm not being confrontational in this question. I'm thinking and asking.)
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are they disruptive? In the most recent cases I've seen they aren't even close to the funeral but the media acts like they are standing next to the grieving family.

I think these people are sick but I don't really want the gov't deciding what is a legit assembly and what isn't.

I guess my main point is I don't view what they're doing as against the law
 
#82
#82
vollygirl said:
So the right to assemble in protest means the right to do it anywhere you chose? Where is my right to do the same?
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As long as it is within the limits of the law, yes. Mostly, they choose to do it on public sidewalks, which is legal, barring any requirement to be "x" distance away from "y" function.

Your right is the same as theirs, you may protest anything of theirs you so wish, so long as you remain legal as well.
 
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#83
vollygirl said:
So the right to assemble in protest means the right to do it anywhere you chose? Where is my right to do the same?
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Your right is the same as theirs. My understanding is that they can't do it on your property. That's where their rights end. I could be wrong, though.
 
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VOLatile said:
Your right is the same as theirs. My understanding is that they can't do it on your property. That's where their rights end. I could be wrong, though.
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They can't do it on your property, or any privately owned property, even if available to the public, if they are asked to leave. This would result in criminal trespassing charges being brought.
 
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#85
Thanks for being nice guys. Like I said, I just really can't be objective about this. My heart hurts so bad for the families that are burying loved ones...and these crazies want to use them for exposure. It just makes me sick.

But you guys are awesome. :)
 
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#86
utvolpj said:
are they disruptive? In the most recent cases I've seen they aren't even close to the funeral but the media acts like they are standing next to the grieving family.

I think these people are sick but I don't really want the gov't deciding what is a legit assembly and what isn't.

I guess my main point is I don't view what they're doing as against the law
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In some cases they are met by other civilians that deter them from getting very close.

I understand their rights, as they are explained, and the venom in me is not directed at you.
 
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#87
vollygirl said:
Thanks for being nice guys. Like I said, I just really can't be objective about this. My heart hurts so bad for the families that are burying loved ones...and these crazies want to use them for exposure. It just makes me sick.

But you guys are awesome. :)
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it's a tough thing for everyone. I hate everything these people stand for but one day I may be in a position to need the same right and find it's been taken away. Likely? Not really but I prefer to be safe

BeecherVol said:
In some cases they are met by other civilians that deter them from getting very close.

I understand their rights, as they are explained, and the venom in me is not directed at you.
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I would never take it that way at all :thumbsup:
 
#89
#89
BeecherVol said:
Don't get pissed about much, this is one of those times.
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I got real angry when they planned to protest one of my platoon members and roommate's brothers death. Real angry.

I don't recall if the requirement to be away from Arlington was in place at the time or not, but they didn't show up, either way. Or at least I never saw them... and I looked.
 
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#90
fl0at said:
They can't do it on your property, or any privately owned property, even if available to the public, if they are asked to leave. This would result in criminal trespassing charges being brought.
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:thumbsup: That's what I thought.
 
#91
#91
fl0at said:
I got real angry when they planned to protest one of my platoon members and roommate's brothers death. Real angry.

I don't recall if the requirement to be away from Arlington was in place at the time or not, but they didn't show up, either way. Or at least I never saw them... and I looked.
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Thank you for your service sir.:hi:

You served for their rights as well as mine. Disagree or not.

Sometimes anger blinds with groups like this.
 
#92
#92
Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote in an opinion that the right to free speech is NOT absolute. The famous metaphor he used is "shouting 'FIRE' in a crowded theater". This has been clarified to mean that such speech must be false, I.e. there be no fire at the time. I would submit that while some of the group's rhetoric falls into this category, much of it does not.

They should be kept as far away from the funeral as possible. Barring that, groups of citizens should take whatever legal actions necessary to disrupt the group's disgusting actions. This happened at a KKK rally in Springfield, MO a few years back. Never heard from the jackasses again.
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#93
#93
utvolpj said:
are they disruptive? In the most recent cases I've seen they aren't even close to the funeral but the media acts like they are standing next to the grieving family.

I think these people are sick but I don't really want the gov't deciding what is a legit assembly and what isn't.

I guess my main point is I don't view what they're doing as against the law
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if the media didn't give them any press, they would disapear. the media does this to associate them with all Christians.
 
#94
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joevol320 said:
if the media didn't give them any press, they would disapear. the media does this to associate them with all Christians.
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That's silly. They do this and associate themselves with all Christians. It's not some media conspiracy to make Christians look bad. If that were the case, then I can assure you that Fox News wouldn't be reporting it.
 
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#96
joevol320 said:
if the media didn't give them any press, they would disapear. the media does this to associate them with all Christians.
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If the media didn't give them any press, there probably wouldn't be laws against protesting within "x" distance of a funeral.

What you suggest would only further allow them to continue their ridiculousness.
 
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