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melmsman

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Man !!! Lose a couple of games and you guys are ready to clean house !! Face it Vol fans, the SEC is a tough place to win games. I've been a Georgia fan for 20+ years, seen more than my share of ups and downs and not once did I think I knew how to run the team better than the guys gettin' paid to do it ! The problem is all those recruits you've been able to woo from GA and FL ain't comin to Knoxville. The days of easy pickins are gone and TN (like the others) have to learn to make the most of what they got. Richt has "closed the borders" in GA and with Spurrier back, Bama gettin right with the NCAA and Urban crankin FL up, things are gonna be even tighter for everyone.
 
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yeah, good thing no one ever called for Ray Goff's or Jim Donnan's head :biggrin2:
 
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Welcome aboard, you'll have to excuse some of us , the Zoloft ran out and we've been invaded by Bammer trolls this week.
 
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Originally posted by melmsman@Oct 12, 2005 10:00 PM
Man !!!  Lose a couple of games and you guys are ready to clean house !!  Face it Vol fans, the SEC is a tough place to win games.  I've been a Georgia fan for 20+ years, seen more than my share of ups and downs and not once did I think I knew how to run the team better than the guys gettin' paid to do it !  The problem is all those recruits you've been able to woo from GA and FL ain't comin to Knoxville.  The days of easy pickins are gone and TN (like the others) have to learn to make the most of what they got.  Richt has "closed the borders" in GA and with Spurrier back, Bama gettin right with the NCAA and Urban crankin FL up, things are gonna be even tighter for everyone.
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Rodney Garner has "closed the borders." If he leaves UGA, good luck keeping all the local talent.
 
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Originally posted by hatvol96@Oct 12, 2005 10:03 PM
Rodney Garner has "closed the borders." If he leaves UGA, good luck keeping all the local talent.
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I stand corrected...Richt AND Garner have closed em... :D
 
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Originally posted by melmsman@Oct 12, 2005 10:06 PM
I stand corrected...Richt AND Garner have closed em... :D
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We certainly miss Garner's recruiting in Knoxville.
 
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Originally posted by hatvol96@Oct 12, 2005 8:16 PM
We certainly miss Garner's recruiting in Knoxville.
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Yep, seems that Pete Carroll is setting up shop in Tennessee.
 
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UT will have a harder time recruiting wise with good recruiters set up in Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Florida. All four of those states produce enough talent that if the borders are closed down they still get significant talent. Tennessee does not produce near the talent out of high school as those schools. UT has to step outside of Tennessee to recruit.
 
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Originally posted by therickbol@Oct 13, 2005 10:44 AM
UT will have a harder time recruiting wise with good recruiters set up in Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Florida. All four of those states produce enough talent that if the borders are closed down they still get significant talent. Tennessee does not produce near the talent out of high school as those schools. UT has to step outside of Tennessee to recruit.
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UT is also regionalized. Something that alot of non-Tennesseans don't seem to appreciate. Alot of kids who grow up in west TN are raised to hate UT and alot of them wind up at Memphis or Ole Miss. There is a strong streak of Bama supporters in the southern-middle part of the state. Also, most of our best HS programs historically are private schools (MBA, MUS, Brentwood Acad., etc.) Alot of the kids who grow up going to private school seem to wind up out-of-state.
 
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Originally posted by melmsman@Oct 12, 2005 10:00 PM
Man !!!  Lose a couple of games and you guys are ready to clean house !!  Face it Vol fans, the SEC is a tough place to win games.  I've been a Georgia fan for 20+ years, seen more than my share of ups and downs and not once did I think I knew how to run the team better than the guys gettin' paid to do it !  The problem is all those recruits you've been able to woo from GA and FL ain't comin to Knoxville.  The days of easy pickins are gone and TN (like the others) have to learn to make the most of what they got.  Richt has "closed the borders" in GA and with Spurrier back, Bama gettin right with the NCAA and Urban crankin FL up, things are gonna be even tighter for everyone.
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If we lose to Urban Liar or Mike Shula our program IS in dire straits. The conference was much tougher with Spurrier, Stallings, Saban and Cutcliffe. Any more excuses for Phil and his trusty sidekick Randy Sanders?
 
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Originally posted by donsargegolf@Oct 13, 2005 11:45 AM
The conference was much tougher with Spurrier, Stallings, Saban and Cutcliffe. Any more excuses for Phil and his trusty sidekick Randy Sanders?
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Good point about the old regimes being tough, not that the new regime is soft by any means.

That being said, what does it say about TN if we had problems beating the old coaches, and we now have problems beating the new coaches (Meyer, Richt, etc.) that aren't as tough as the old ones???

The bottom line is that Tennessee only consistently beats other teams when the coaching staff for the other team is weak or in some sort of transition, OR if it's just a historically weak program (Vandy, Kentucky, etc.). When it comes to Alabama, Florida, LSU, Georgia, Auburn... when those schools have stability, Tennessee is in trouble, even in the years we're supposed to win.

C'mon... somebody... please tell me I'm wrong... I'm not afraid to be incorrect.
 
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Originally posted by hitandrun@Oct 13, 2005 2:59 PM


The bottom line is that Tennessee only consistently beats other teams when the coaching staff for the other team is weak or in some sort of transition, OR if it's just a historically weak program (Vandy, Kentucky, etc.).  When it comes to Alabama, Florida, LSU, Georgia, Auburn... when those schools have stability, Tennessee is in trouble, even in the years we're supposed to win.

C'mon... somebody... please tell me I'm wrong... I'm not afraid to be incorrect.
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I've been saying that for a while now, the important games usually seem to go the way of the opposing teams.
 
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Originally posted by hitandrun@Oct 13, 2005 1:59 PM
Good point about the old regimes being tough, not that the new regime is soft by any means.

That being said, what does it say about TN if we had problems beating the old coaches, and we now have problems beating the new coaches (Meyer, Richt, etc.) that aren't as tough as the old ones???

The bottom line is that Tennessee only consistently beats other teams when the coaching staff for the other team is weak or in some sort of transition, OR if it's just a historically weak program (Vandy, Kentucky, etc.).  When it comes to Alabama, Florida, LSU, Georgia, Auburn... when those schools have stability, Tennessee is in trouble, even in the years we're supposed to win.

C'mon... somebody... please tell me I'm wrong... I'm not afraid to be incorrect.
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Check our record in the last 15 meetings against UGA, LSU, Alabama, and Auburn. I bet it's pretty good. If we didn't have trouble with someone in the SEC at a given time, we'd win the league every year.
 
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Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Oct 13, 2005 2:13 PM
I've been saying that for a while now, the important games usually seem to go the way of the opposing teams.
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Does that mean when we beat UGA nine straight times none of those games were important? Does that mean that only one of the last 10 against Alabama was important? It seems the only games anyone thinks are important are the ones we lose. Ask LSU how insignificant our victory this year was to their season.
 
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Originally posted by hatvol96@Oct 13, 2005 3:14 PM
Check our record in the last 15 meetings against UGA, LSU, Alabama, and Auburn. I bet it's pretty good. If we didn't have trouble with someone in the SEC at a given time, we'd win the league every year.
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While the last 15 years looks somewhat better, I would just like to focus from 1999 since we had a huge platform to build off of after the NC title....I just focused on UF, UGA, LSU, Bama and Auburn

1999- lost to UF
2000- lost to UF, UGA, LSU
2001- lost to UGA, LSU
2002- lost to UF, UGA, Bama
2003- lost to UGA, Auburn
2004- lost to Auburn twice
2005- lost to UF, UGA and waiting....

So after our NC, we have....

lost 4 out of 7 to UF
lost 5 out of 7 to UGA
lost 1 out of 6 to Bama
lost 2 out of 3 to LSU
lost 3 out of 4 to Auburn

:bad: except the bama part which is :good:
 
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Ummm....Maybe I am missing something here but did we not have another top 5 recruiting class just last year? Yes, we did, in fact it was rated THE best by some. This year UT has as much talent on it's team as ANYONE in the country outside of maybe USC. The problem this year has in no way been lack of talent or not being able to recruit.
 
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Originally posted by hitandrun@Oct 13, 2005 1:59 PM
Good point about the old regimes being tough, not that the new regime is soft by any means.

That being said, what does it say about TN if we had problems beating the old coaches, and we now have problems beating the new coaches (Meyer, Richt, etc.) that aren't as tough as the old ones???

The bottom line is that Tennessee only consistently beats other teams when the coaching staff for the other team is weak or in some sort of transition, OR if it's just a historically weak program (Vandy, Kentucky, etc.).  When it comes to Alabama, Florida, LSU, Georgia, Auburn... when those schools have stability, Tennessee is in trouble, even in the years we're supposed to win.

C'mon... somebody... please tell me I'm wrong... I'm not afraid to be incorrect.
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Name one SEC team that is beating all of the other top flight SEC teams consistently.
 
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Originally posted by melmsman@Oct 12, 2005 10:06 PM
I stand corrected...Richt AND Garner have closed em... :D
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Garner will also be a major role in dissent, and turmoil on the team. At least that was a role he played in Knoxville.
 
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melsman how long did you guy's give donnan. what was his record, if i recall it is very similiar to ours over the past 4 years. he's the same type of coach as fullmer he couldn't win the bigger games and you guys booted him. you didn't make agood point.
 
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There is absolutely zero comparison between Donnan and Fulmer. Donnan's problem was that he wasn't beating Ga Tech and he wasn't a politician.
 
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similiar records especially against the top 15. does anybody have a stat on that and how donnan did in bowl games. i could be wrong, but ibelieve there are some similiarities there. sec championships would be another good one.
 
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Donnan's records were:

5-6
10-2
9-3
8-4

His problem was that he never beat Florida or Tennessee and in his last 2 years he lost to Ga Tech. He wasn't winning ANY big games. Also, you've got to remember that when UGA fired Goff, Donnan wasn't even the first choice to take over, so he wasn't exactly welcomed with open arms, and probably wasn't ever going to be given a fair shake.
 
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pretty similiar though in records. good stats. what are fullmer stats wins and losses against the top 10 i know it is horrible.
 
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I have no idea what the record is, but off the top of my head, in the last 3 years, he's got wins against Florida, Miami, Georgia and LSU while they were in the top 10.
 
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true i know he's lost to georgia a couple times was forida in the top 10 last year. auburn 2 last year florida this year. lsu acouple of years ago. ican't mention the bowl games because they were not in the top 10. so he probably overall in his career is shooting 30-35% against the top 10. or somewhere around there.
 
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