Your all missing the " boat " about how to fix the problem

[jryevols]

I have been reading many forums here for a while before responding. Many fans are irate and that's understandable.
We have all grown accustomed to filling the football gap with the powerful Lady Vols stroking our winning ego throughout the off-season, and with that diminishing rapidly we seem to have nowhere to turn than to blame the mess on the coach and suck it up for another year, as we have had to do in football. I have been a basketball coach ( not junior pro ) , and have taken the time to analysis every loss. There is an immediate fix if any of you have the communication path to the coaches of the Lady Falls ( sorry that just slipped out ). From the analysis the numbers and plays determine that every game was lost " in the paint ". An immediate fix is to go back to the basics and go to a 2-1-2 zone and stick with it. We have the talent to stop the nightmare of the losses,but not with a one-on-one defense. The bigs are tooooooooo.... slow. Let all the teams that want shoot the threes, they will not beat you in the long run. If the women were as fast as our men, the one on one might work,but it just isn't there, not this year. So if you can get Holly to listen, go 2-1-2 and you will win. Stop Diamond from wasting the three, she can't hit the side of barn. Dunbar should be allowed to get hot , but when she hits one and misses the next she comes out.

Anyone out there listening?

Coach

 

[governmentmule]

welcome to the board jryevols :hi:

 

[voltraveler]

I'm pretty sure that Holly knows that there is a 2-1-2 zone defense but she evidently doesn't know how to teach the players. She shouldn't need another coach to tell her how to fix the problems with the lady vols, she sat by the master for 20 years. She needs to go now since it is obvious she is not a head coach.

 

[madtownvol]

I have been reading many forums here for a while before responding. Many fans are irate and that's understandable.
We have all grown accustomed to filling the football gap with the powerful Lady Vols stroking our winning ego throughout the off-season, and with that diminishing rapidly we seem to have nowhere to turn than to blame the mess on the coach and suck it up for another year, as we have had to do in football. I have been a basketball coach ( not junior pro ) , and have taken the time to analysis every loss. There is an immediate fix if any of you have the communication path to the coaches of the Lady Falls ( sorry that just slipped out ). From the analysis the numbers and plays determine that every game was lost " in the paint ". An immediate fix is to go back to the basics and go to a 2-1-2 zone and stick with it. We have the talent to stop the nightmare of the losses,but not with a one-on-one defense. The bigs are tooooooooo.... slow. Let all the teams that want shoot the threes, they will not beat you in the long run. If the women were as fast as our men, the one on one might work,but it just isn't there, not this year. So if you can get Holly to listen, go 2-1-2 and you will win. Stop Diamond from wasting the three, she can't hit the side of barn. Dunbar should be allowed to get hot , but when she hits one and misses the next she comes out.

Anyone out there listening?

Coach

Interesting ideas but I don't think there is a simple solution to the multifaceted problem that is the LVs. Good teams quickly realize how to find weaknesses in a zone defense. Against opponents that can shoot well from the outside, you will pay a price; and teams that can penetrate well can also expose gaps.

It makes sense to keep opponents off balance by switching defensive schemes as the game dictates. Unfortunately, the LVs are not that great in zone or man-to-man sets. That is a conundrum.

You might want to rethink that the argument that the LV bigs are "too slow." For her size, Mercedes is quite mobile and agile (that is her major asset; strength and brawn are where she is lacking); M.R. can beat most posts up and down the floor. Graves is also quicker than most PFs and Nia Moore is a quick guard trapped in a skinny power forward body.

Despite a lot of carping about the players inadequacies, we have a team of gazelles that are not being allowed to run free. Along with the players mentioned, DeShields, Nared, Carter, Jackson, Cooper, and even Middleton can all get up and down the floor and beat players off the dribble. Dunbar is the only rostered LV who is on the slow-footed side.

I am stumped as to why Holly and staff have not figured out a way to turn this formidable team speed into offensive and defensive advantages. The LVs are showing night in and night that they are not a half-court, passing team; maybe they would have more success as a run and gun, high tempo team. The new mantra- 1) get up the court fast and quick shoot that basketball, 2) hit the boards like your life depended on it, and 3) press, press, press till you drop!!!! At least that style of play would be more fun to watch.

If you are going to go down, at least do it in a blaze of glory!:clapping:

 

[jryevols]

Awesome add-in to the thread. I agree with everything that you have said. Your points are very well placed. TOOOOO much passing and style play as we use to call it. The turn-overs are cause by the Harlem Globetrotters syndrome. They come out hungry in the first half, it takes about five minutes to figure out the style of play and the opposing team adjust easily to stop them dead cold. The sad part is that Holly over the 30 years that she coached under Pat, didn't pick up enough coaching techniques to develop a team. The pure name of Pat Summit drove home respect of the game and fear from competitors. Pat earned that respect over the years and Holly was given a job she wasn't ready for.
No dis-respect to Pat's condition, but is she not in a stable enough condition to assist Holly with the game any longer?

 

[BigBadVol]

The title is embarrassing. "Your all missing the boat". There are no words.

 

[jryevols]

The title is embarrassing. "Your all missing the boat". There are no words.

Stick with the content, the title stands on it's own merit. Misspelled I agree, but worthy to read:mf_surrender:

 

[cgbtn]

Interesting ideas but I don't think there is a simple solution to the multifaceted problem that is the LVs. Good teams quickly realize how to find weaknesses in a zone defense. Against opponents that can shoot well from the outside, you will pay a price; and teams that can penetrate well can also expose gaps.

It makes sense to keep opponents off balance by switching defensive schemes as the game dictates. Unfortunately, the LVs are not that great in zone or man-to-man sets. That is a conundrum.

You might want to rethink that the argument that the LV bigs are "too slow." For her size, Mercedes is quite mobile and agile (that is her major asset; strength and brawn are where she is lacking); M.R. can beat most posts up and down the floor. Graves is also quicker than most PFs and Nia Moore is a quick guard trapped in a skinny power forward body.

Despite a lot of carping about the players inadequacies, we have a team of gazelles that are not being allowed to run free. Along with the players mentioned, DeShields, Nared, Carter, Jackson, Cooper, and even Middleton can all get up and down the floor and beat players off the dribble. Dunbar is the only rostered LV who is on the slow-footed side.

I am stumped as to why Holly and staff have not figured out a way to turn this formidable team speed into offensive and defensive advantages. The LVs are showing night in and night that they are not a half-court, passing team; maybe they would have more success as a run and gun, high tempo team. The new mantra- 1) get up the court fast and quick shoot that basketball, 2) hit the boards like your life depended on it, and 3) press, press, press till you drop!!!! At least that style of play would be more fun to watch.

If you are going to go down, at least do it in a blaze of glory!:clapping:

A much better analysis than that offered by the "coach". Changing defenses in no way fixes 24 turnovers trying to get the ball to two bigs standing still behind three bigs. The offensive scoring average is a much bigger problem than the defensive scoring average.

 

[RollerVol]

Stick with the content, the title stands on it's own merit. Misspelled I agree, but worthy to read:mf_surrender:

Me thinks you may be biased...welcome to VN...
BTW...this team is not right...in the head...:loco:

GO LADY VOLS!

 

[golf437]

I have been reading many forums here for a while before responding. Many fans are irate and that's understandable.
We have all grown accustomed to filling the football gap with the powerful Lady Vols stroking our winning ego throughout the off-season, and with that diminishing rapidly we seem to have nowhere to turn than to blame the mess on the coach and suck it up for another year, as we have had to do in football. I have been a basketball coach ( not junior pro ) , and have taken the time to analysis every loss. There is an immediate fix if any of you have the communication path to the coaches of the Lady Falls ( sorry that just slipped out ). From the analysis the numbers and plays determine that every game was lost " in the paint ". An immediate fix is to go back to the basics and go to a 2-1-2 zone and stick with it. We have the talent to stop the nightmare of the losses,but not with a one-on-one defense. The bigs are tooooooooo.... slow. Let all the teams that want shoot the threes, they will not beat you in the long run. If the women were as fast as our men, the one on one might work,but it just isn't there, not this year. So if you can get Holly to listen, go 2-1-2 and you will win. Stop Diamond from wasting the three, she can't hit the side of barn. Dunbar should be allowed to get hot , but when she hits one and misses the next she comes out.

Anyone out there listening?

Coach

Thanks for the humor.

 

[Rickster]

Interesting ideas but I don't think there is a simple solution to the multifaceted problem that is the LVs. Good teams quickly realize how to find weaknesses in a zone defense. Against opponents that can shoot well from the outside, you will pay a price; and teams that can penetrate well can also expose gaps.

It makes sense to keep opponents off balance by switching defensive schemes as the game dictates. Unfortunately, the LVs are not that great in zone or man-to-man sets. That is a conundrum.

You might want to rethink that the argument that the LV bigs are "too slow." For her size, Mercedes is quite mobile and agile (that is her major asset; strength and brawn are where she is lacking); M.R. can beat most posts up and down the floor. Graves is also quicker than most PFs and Nia Moore is a quick guard trapped in a skinny power forward body.

Despite a lot of carping about the players inadequacies, we have a team of gazelles that are not being allowed to run free. Along with the players mentioned, DeShields, Nared, Carter, Jackson, Cooper, and even Middleton can all get up and down the floor and beat players off the dribble. Dunbar is the only rostered LV who is on the slow-footed side.

I am stumped as to why Holly and staff have not figured out a way to turn this formidable team speed into offensive and defensive advantages. The LVs are showing night in and night that they are not a half-court, passing team; maybe they would have more success as a run and gun, high tempo team. The new mantra- 1) get up the court fast and quick shoot that basketball, 2) hit the boards like your life depended on it, and 3) press, press, press till you drop!!!! At least that style of play would be more fun to watch.

If you are going to go down, at least do it in a blaze of glory!:clapping:

Do what Rick Barnes did and shorten the shot clock to 15 seconds. That should keep their focus and game tempo up.

 

[landscapingvol]

Do what Rick Barnes did and shorten the shot clock to 15 seconds. That should keep their focus and game tempo up.

With the exception of Punter, Barnes has taken a bunch of scrubs and made them into a very competitive team. Holly has taken a bunch of pretty highly rated players and one freshman all conference transfer and turned them into a club level team. Plus she has some highly rated recruits coming in that are ready to take this program to the next level

 

[armchair]

UT does not play the great man defense that it played in its salad years. Sometimes we are still pretty strong at man defense--and often not. Some of our guards have been somewhat lazy in recent years and so are not stout on the perimeter--and this is still true. You can't play good man defense if you are not working your tail off, that's a fact. We've got a couple of guards who are lax. Beyond that, while Russell is fairly mobile, she tends to follow her cover outside, and that opens the middle of the our defense to exploit by opposing guards who drive past our aforementioned lax perimeter players. Also, Graves and Russell can both be slow giving help inside; they are slow recognizing that an opponent who has beaten one of our defenders, and slow getting over to cover. A problem.

Because our man defense has been less effective in recent years, we have played more zone--and it has often been VERY effective. Have we played much zone this year? I want to say no--don't think I've seen much. I certainly would be trying it as with our size and length a zone can be very effective--it is against us! You have to get out and cover good shooters, and given our court awareness and poor IQ, we might not do that. EVERYTHING should be on the table with this team; everything should be analyzed.

I wonder if our program makes use of player/team analytics? I think they've gotten big at the NBA level.

 

[creekdipper]

While giving up the continual back-doors...the same plays that have sunk us against ND for the past five years...a situation so embarrassing that the male announcer said that it looked like a "layup drill" and then amended it to say that it was "easier than a layup drill"...Dunbar was not on the floor.

How could she be a greater liability on defense than the players who got beaten repeatedly like taking candy from babies?

Not saying that Dunbar is a world-beater, but at least she shoots well under pressure. Drained her first shot from long range, didn't miss by much on the second, and then sits for the rest of the game.

Meanwhile, Tea...who is being put in a spot that she's not ready for...continues to press with turnovers & horrible shot selections.

I actually feel sorry for both the team AND Holly. I'm sure that more talent has been wasted on other teams, but none come to mind right away.

 

[Volfan2012]

The switching man to man defense always gets schooled by Notre Dame. They just find the weak links and easily make layups. We have players that can't guard a mannequin on this team. I have watched all season and the players that lose their man are the same game after game.

 

[volfanIND]

We are finally seeing the differences between CPS and CHW coming out. CPS voice is literally no longer around. And I don't think you can fault CHW. I really believe she is trying the hardest she can. I feel for the girl, how do you follow a legend?

CHW is following the same philosophy the CPS built. The problem is, she isn't executing it.
CPS was able to have players buy into the idea - don't let your offense affect your defense. We all can remember her saying this, and we all can remember how she was able to get the players to dial it in. The failure of not buying into this, is what we are seeing with everybody. This goes for EVERY player. Tennessee used to be able to hang their hats on their defense .... we can't even do that.

CHW is still using the same philosophy that made the Tennessee Lady Vols, she just isn't using it correctly.

 

[smokey0625]

Stick with the content, the title stands on it's own merit. Misspelled I agree, but worthy to read:mf_surrender:

But you took time to analysis.

 

[37620VOL]

With the exception of Punter, Barnes has taken a bunch of scrubs and made them into a very competitive team. Holly has taken a bunch of pretty highly rated players and one freshman all conference transfer and turned them into a club level team. Plus she has some highly rated recruits coming in that are ready to take this program to the next level

Punter was a scrub... Barnes coached him up. Hubbs was the only highly rated player. Your point is well taken.

Holly could field her team with only All Americans this year. The talent will not get better than this.

 

[Vols4us]

Interesting ideas but I don't think there is a simple solution to the multifaceted problem that is the LVs. Good teams quickly realize how to find weaknesses in a zone defense. Against opponents that can shoot well from the outside, you will pay a price; and teams that can penetrate well can also expose gaps.

It makes sense to keep opponents off balance by switching defensive schemes as the game dictates. Unfortunately, the LVs are not that great in zone or man-to-man sets. That is a conundrum.

You might want to rethink that the argument that the LV bigs are "too slow." For her size, Mercedes is quite mobile and agile (that is her major asset; strength and brawn are where she is lacking); M.R. can beat most posts up and down the floor. Graves is also quicker than most PFs and Nia Moore is a quick guard trapped in a skinny power forward body.

Despite a lot of carping about the players inadequacies, we have a team of gazelles that are not being allowed to run free. Along with the players mentioned, DeShields, Nared, Carter, Jackson, Cooper, and even Middleton can all get up and down the floor and beat players off the dribble. Dunbar is the only rostered LV who is on the slow-footed side.

I am stumped as to why Holly and staff have not figured out a way to turn this formidable team speed into offensive and defensive advantages. The LVs are showing night in and night that they are not a half-court, passing team; maybe they would have more success as a run and gun, high tempo team. The new mantra- 1) get up the court fast and quick shoot that basketball, 2) hit the boards like your life depended on it, and 3) press, press, press till you drop!!!! At least that style of play would be more fun to watch.

If you are going to go down, at least do it in a blaze of glory!:clapping:

Good post. Said this back in early December. They are racehorses, not plow horses. Run, transition, 4 outside on offense, press full court for 40 minutes, etc. They will probably play better with Russell and Graves subbing for each other in the post. This double post mess with Mercedes on the low post is ridiculous. She doesn't understand she is tall and does not bang. She runs well for a big and has a decent touch on her shots. This team will never be a post up half court offense type team. Dribble drive and dish. Pick and roll. Screen and pop out for the j. Go, go, go.

 

[37620VOL]

jrye,

I like that you came in here with substance, I appreciate that. However, I do disagree philosophically with many of your points.

I think Holly needs to define who we are as a team:

1. We play man to man, tough defense with limited switching. Force the ball to the baseline. Emphasize the help line. Always see ball and man. Stop changing from man to 2-3 to 2-1-2. She has tried to make us a jack of all trades. We just need to master one concept.

2. Throw away our man offense and start over. For this year, it's too late to make huge changes, but I would work on isolations for DD and let her create for her teammates. Use her like the Cavs use Lebron. Also we need to press for an acceptable shot more often on our fast break and secondary break with immediat ball rotation after our secondary break. For next year, I would like to go to a structured offense like the 1-4 high.

3. The formula to beat the LVs is a packed in zone. When this happens, we have to put in four players that can shoot the 3. You can't beat a zone unless you create space. Holly needs to encourage, not discourage her shooters. We need to shoot 33%+ from 3.


Holly needs to define who the individual players are:

1. What constitutes a "good shot" for each player? A coach should tell you this. IMO Basket basketball philosophy 101. I want 1 point per possession. You take any 2 point shot that you can make 50% of the time. You take and 3 point shot you can make 30% of the time. If you can't shoot at those rates, you don't shoot. No turnovers allowed, all I want is a 50/30 shot, risky passes are not required.

2. Players need identities. Who is our lockdown on the ball defender? Who is our tough as nails low post presence? Who's out there doing the little things that don't show up on the stat sheet - off the ball physicality, popping over the screener to create space so you don't have to switch, backside rotation to help the helper. I don't see it.

I'm seeing a lot of things that I was coached to do a the high school level that are not being done at the NCAA level. It means one of two things, 1) the players aren't being coached, or 2) our players are very low intelligent. I don't think it's #2.

 

[PRG]

Did any one watch the Baylor and Texas game? I saw multiple offensive and defensive sets??? One/ four high and low. Double stack high and low. motion. zones and man to man! No one was passing the ball around like a hot potato wanting someone else to shoot before the 30 second clock goes off!

When there was a defensive rebound.... There was an all out (JAIL BREAK) to see who could get a good shot or fast break lay up! Sometimes within 5 to 10 seconds. Many shots while the shot clock remained 20 seconds or more. NOT THE QUICK SHOT PROBLEM HOLLY SAYS WE HAVE!!! During a time out you could listen to Texas coach tell her guards. (if you do not have a good shot) THEN WAIT FOR THE BIGS AND RUN YOUR OFFENSE! Holly wants to wait for everyone to come down and set up and see if you can force it inside with no time left on the shot clock. Obviously different philosophies. And people wonder why Cox and Holmes wanted to stay in Texas??? And we have no recruits wanting to come here?

I hate to watch the games our girls are playing....it is just hard to watch! Knowing they are capable of so much more. Sorry, my rant is over!

 

[Amb3096]

1. What constitutes a "good shot" for each player? A coach should tell you this. IMO Basket basketball philosophy 101. I want 1 point per possession. You take any 2 point shot that you can make 50% of the time. You take and 3 point shot you can make 30% of the time. If you can't shoot at those rates, you don't shoot. No turnovers allowed, all I want is a 50/30 shot, risky passes are not required.

Unfortunately, that's a layup for any player other than Diamond or Bashaara.

 

[The Crimson Cried]

I have been reading many forums here for a while before responding. Many fans are irate and that's understandable.
We have all grown accustomed to filling the football gap with the powerful Lady Vols stroking our winning ego throughout the off-season, and with that diminishing rapidly we seem to have nowhere to turn than to blame the mess on the coach and suck it up for another year, as we have had to do in football. I have been a basketball coach ( not junior pro ) , and have taken the time to analysis every loss. There is an immediate fix if any of you have the communication path to the coaches of the Lady Falls ( sorry that just slipped out ). From the analysis the numbers and plays determine that every game was lost " in the paint ". An immediate fix is to go back to the basics and go to a 2-1-2 zone and stick with it. We have the talent to stop the nightmare of the losses,but not with a one-on-one defense. The bigs are tooooooooo.... slow. Let all the teams that want shoot the threes, they will not beat you in the long run. If the women were as fast as our men, the one on one might work,but it just isn't there, not this year. So if you can get Holly to listen, go 2-1-2 and you will win. Stop Diamond from wasting the three, she can't hit the side of barn. Dunbar should be allowed to get hot , but when she hits one and misses the next she comes out.

Anyone out there listening?

Coach

I didn't make it past the "your".

 

[gule]

speaking of missing the boat, can we put holly on a slow boat to China, one way?

 

[tripplg]

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