Your Thoughts On The Players Wanting More Money

#26
#26
justingroves said:
The running backs would be screwed if they didn't get a significant pay raise.

One reason the NFL is so popular is because the season is short and efficient.

You keep adding games and there inevitably will be burnout and people stop watching.
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IMO even 16 games is too many... 14 is perfect.
 
#27
#27
yeah, it's far from just "we want more money"

(though it might be some of the case with the owners, don't know)
 
#28
#28
Well, yeah, every piece the owners win in the CBA ultimately means lower operating costs or higher revenue.

I don't think they'll back down, we're going to see an 18 game regular season whether we like it or not. The only debate left is whether we see expanded rosters, salaries and health care for retired players to go with it.
 
#29
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milohimself said:
Well, yeah, every piece the owners win in the CBA ultimately means lower operating costs or higher revenue.

I don't think they'll back down, we're going to see an 18 game regular season whether we like it or not. The only debate left is whether we see expanded rosters, salaries and health care for retired players to go with it.
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I don't understand why this is such a hot button topic. Every player in the league definitely makes enough to purchase good health care for the rest of their lives.
 
#30
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nbakerld said:
I don't understand why this is such a hot button topic. Every player in the league definitely makes enough to purchase good health care for the rest of their lives.
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I wouldn't say that's true. 1-2yrs at league min doesn't set you up for life if you've sustained a major injury/trauma
 
#31
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nbakerld said:
I don't understand why this is such a hot button topic. Every player in the league definitely makes enough to purchase good health care for the rest of their lives.
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The vast majority of players in the NFL are in for only 3-4 years and make significantly less than marquee guys, typically not even near enough to pay for medical bills for the rest of their lives if they've sustained any type of serious injury, chronic pain or anything football related illness.

The League being the cash cow it is, without question carries the responsibility to see after the well-being of the guys who literally put their well-being on the line in order to make the game what it is.
 
#32
#32
I can't believe that this is even a debate. The players don't want more money; the players are mostly happy with the way things are. The owners want the players to take a smaller slice of the pie while at the same time agreeing to an 18 game schedule. If there's a work stoppage, the owners will be the ones driving it. They get paid their TV money next year whether there are any games or not.

And yet everybody you meet in a bar will go on and on about how greedy the players are. People are such tools.
 
#33
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nbakerld said:
I don't understand why this is such a hot button topic. Every player in the league definitely makes enough to purchase good health care for the rest of their lives.
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The average NFL career is under four seasons, and the median NFL salary is six figures, not seven. Not bad, obviously, but also nowhere near enough to set you up for the rest of your life. I don't know if you've read much about the health problems facing former NFL players, but it has to be incredibly expensive to walk in off the street as a former player and buy health insurance on your own. The marginal players are the ones who make the league possible, and the marginal players are the ones who get fscked. This has to be something that the league with all its billions takes care of.
 
#34
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Vercingetorix said:
The average NFL career is under four seasons, and the median NFL salary is six figures, not seven. Not bad, obviously, but also nowhere near enough to set you up for the rest of your life. I don't know if you've read much about the health problems facing former NFL players, but it has to be incredibly expensive to walk in off the street as a former player and buy health insurance on your own. The marginal players are the ones who make the league possible, and the marginal players are the ones who get fscked. This has to be something that the league with all its billions takes care of.
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Yeah, but marginal players aren't really the guys that are having long term health problems. It's the guys that play and play for a lot of years. If you are a marginal player it means when you are done you need to find work no matter what, so if insurance is an issue find employment where that is a benefit. Their future insurance is not the NFL's responsibility any more than it is the responsibility of their respective colleges.

"Greedy" is the dumbest word to describe anybody. Everybody is self-interested. Everybody wants a big piece of the pie. I don't blame either side, it's just human nature.
 
#35
#35
Are you kidding? I already have chronic knee issues, and I played only from 3rd-12th grade. Consider the average career span of an NFL player, and it adds up to 17 years of football.

I would say a very small minority of players who have ever been in the NFL at any high contact position (read: anywhere but QB or kickers) aren't leaving the game with any chronic pain.
 
#36
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milohimself said:
Are you kidding? I already have chronic knee issues, and I played only from 3rd-12th grade. Consider the average career span of an NFL player, and it adds up to 17 years of football.

I would say a very small minority of players who have ever been in the NFL at any high contact position (read: anywhere but QB or kickers) aren't leaving the game with any chronic pain.
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Yeah, so the players should be hitting up their HS and university for some insurance as well.

If they don't like in then all I have to say is that the world can always use more bar tenders. I'll gladly take that marginal contract as is. It's not worth it to owners to add lifetime health insurance to their $400,000 contracts.
 
#37
#37
Normally I'd agree with you, but with the profit margins all the clubs as well as the League are making, on top of the stupid money-wrenching BS like the proposed 18 game schedule and the extra seat business from the SB, the NFL can see to it that their vets get help on their insurance.

This is a business, and the owners have every bit as much responsibility to see to the well-being of its employees as the employees do to bust their asses to make the owners billions upon billions of dollars.
 
#38
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nbakerld said:
Yeah, so the players should be hitting up their HS and university for some insurance as well.

If they don't like in then all I have to say is that the world can always use more bar tenders. I'll gladly take that marginal contract as is. It's not worth it to owners to add lifetime health insurance to their $400,000 contracts.
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I guess you like watching crappy football. If its not "worth it" to an owner, then they should cash in and sell. I am sure dozens of people would line up to buy the franchise and gladly pay Health Insurance.

After rerading this, I am 100% in the players corner.

Carolina Panthers owner Jerry Richardson mocked quarterbacks Peyton Manning(notes) and Drew Brees(notes) during a Feb. 5 negotiating session with the NFL Players Association, says three league sources, a sign of disrespect that the union hopes solidifies its members in the pending labor battle with the NFL.
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Apparently, Richardson was particularly sarcastic when Manning started to talk about players’ safety. At one point, Richardson evidently said, “What do you know about player safety?”
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Sources: Panthers owner disses Manning, Brees - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

I hope good players run from the Panthers, after seeing what their owner thinks of them
 
#39
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milohimself said:
Normally I'd agree with you, but with the profit margins all the clubs as well as the League are making, on top of the stupid money-wrenching BS like the proposed 18 game schedule and the extra seat business from the SB, the NFL can see to it that their vets get help on their insurance.

This is a business, and the owners have every bit as much responsibility to see to the well-being of its employees as the employees do to bust their asses to make the owners billions upon billions of dollars.
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LMAO. If the owners were making billions upon billions there would be no threat of a lockout. It wouldn't even cost $1 billion to buy the Redskins. Honestly you don't know how much the teams are making. For all you know some teams are losing before revenue shares are added to the equation. If a team can't be profitable without paying insurance why would an owner want to pay it?
 
#41
#41
mrredskin said:
cut out mandatory purchases of preseason games for season tix holders and i'm fine.
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Thats the catch, the ticket holders are rightfully pissed about paying full face value for a preseason game. So the league's take on the matter is that they will be improving their stance by only screwing ticket holders once rather than twice by subtracting 2 preseason games and adding 2 regular season games.

Flawed logic, yes, but that's where I see them coming from.
 
#42
#42
VolsNSkinsFan said:
If someone offered Snyder a Billion for the Skins, he wouldnt take it
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Nobody would offer him $1 billion. But maybe you are right about Snyder since it's his childhood team and he's wealthy beyond belief, but most owners aren't in that boat.
 
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nbakerld said:
Nobody would offer him $1 billion. But maybe you are right about Snyder since it's his childhood team and he's wealthy beyond belief, but most owners aren't in that boat.
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I am pretty confident that Fred Smith would cut a check tomorrow for the Skins at that price
 
#44
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
I am pretty confident that Fred Smith would cut a check tomorrow for the Skins at that price
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K, for the sake of argument we'll just accept that as a truth, but either way my point remains the same. They don't make "billions upon billions". The fact of the matter is there are only a few people lining up to buy franchises but there are thousands that are lining up for a chance in the league. Therefore the owners have the power.
 
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#45
#45
people pay $$ to watch players, not 5'8 175 pound owners sitting in skyboxes.

Cap rookie pay, get rid of 2 preseason games and move to 18 game season, limit contact during offseason, get rid of Franchise tags, expand the roster, and get these guys some sort of life time health care.
 
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#48
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
people pay $$ to watch players, not 5'8 175 pound owners sitting in skyboxes.

Cap rookie pay, get rid of 2 preseason games and move to 18 game season, limit contact during offseason, get rid of Franchise tags, expand the roster, and get these guys some sort of life time health care.
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I don't get your point. We don't pay the owners to watch them play, we pay them to put a product on the field. The players are a big part of that product. A good portion of them are very expendable. You wouldn't notice the difference in quality of talent if we replaced the bottom 40% of the league. We don't pay to watch them either.
 
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#49
#49
I agree with everything Groves has said. I do hope there is a full season next year, though.
 
#50
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
I guess you like watching crappy football. If its not "worth it" to an owner, then they should cash in and sell. I am sure dozens of people would line up to buy the franchise and gladly pay Health Insurance.
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Not likely. They'd be paying out the butt for the franchise and then instantaneously devaluing their investment. You would be shrinking your profit margin for the existence of the franchise. This is how GM got in so much financial trouble. When profit margins were great they promised the world to employees in retirement benefits. Now those benefits are weighing them down and they can't be competitive without government help.
 
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