All Time NBA Players Thread - No Jordan vs. Lebron Debate Allowed

[95 Vol Alum]

There is no awareness among the old guys that they started this ****.

Dominique Wilkins Had Blunt Message for Players Who '(Expletive)' on Past Generations

The Hall of Famer did not hold back in his appearance on the 'All the Smoke' podcast this week.

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They did? I don’t think the players started it. The fans did. You keep posting content about people trashing NBA players from 20-30 years ago. You yourself trash previous eras. Why wouldn’t the players just pick up on that debate and join in?

 

[knoxvol52]

Brian Winhorst ( whose opinion I respect very much) stated last week on a show that ANY SUPERSTAR could've played in ANY ERA. Superstars these during this era aren't better than Superstars from era's past and vice versa. It's a fans point of view pissing contest.

 

[n_huffhines]

They did? I don’t think the players started it. The fans did. You keep posting content about people trashing NBA players from 20-30 years ago. You yourself trash previous eras. Why wouldn’t the players just pick up on that debate and join in?

Fans, lol? Come on now. Is Lebron gonna go at Steph because Steph fans go at him? The fans are the fans. The brotherhood is the brotherhood.

I personally definitely didn't say **** until I heard other people saying ****.

Also, this is not my era. I'm nearly 43. I'm just calling it like I saw it.

 

[n_huffhines]

Brian Winhorst ( whose opinion I respect very much) stated last week on a show that ANY SUPERSTAR could've played in ANY ERA. Superstars these during this era aren't better than Superstars from era's past and vice versa. It's a fans point of view pissing contest.

Of course

 

[95 Vol Alum]

Fans, lol? Come on now. Is Lebron gonna go at Steph because Steph fans go at him? The fans are the fans. The brotherhood is the brotherhood.

I personally definitely didn't say **** until I heard other people saying ****.

Also, this is not my era. I'm nearly 43. I'm just calling it like I saw it.

No. Fans debate in public. “Media” members seek comment. Hey did you hear, what do you think about. Yada yada.

Player comments. Other player(s) respond. Debate moves to the players.

 

[95 Vol Alum]

The brotherhood doesn’t seem to be the brotherhood.

See: Nique’s comments. Isn’t that his point? There should be respect and a brotherhood?

 

[n_huffhines]

No. Fans debate in public. “Media” members seek comment. Hey did you hear, what do you think about. Yada yada.

Player comments. Other player(s) respond. Debate moves to the players.

OK. Even in this case, I don't remember fanst in this era trashing the 90s until recently. Since Jordan was playing, I heard fans bash the current league (at the time) and its players and pine for the old days when __________ (fill in the blank). It's different now, because the old guys started taking shots at the young guys.

 

[n_huffhines]

The brotherhood doesn’t seem to be the brotherhood.

See: Nique’s comments. Isn’t that his point? There should be respect and a brotherhood?

That's what I'm saying. They violated the code with the "soft" stuff starting like a decade ago, and now all hell's finally broke loose and Nique is now worried about what people are saying because now some of it is directed at his era. Maybe Nique was defending the young guys when others were calling them soft or whatever, and I'm not being fair, but I never heard it.

 

[95 Vol Alum]

OK. Even in this case, I don't remember fanst in this era trashing the 90s until recently. Since Jordan was playing, I heard fans bash the league and its players and pine for the old days when __________ (fill in the blank). It's different now, because the old guys started taking shots at the young guys.

I’d say it evolved from the very thing we aren’t to discuss here. Jordan vs LeBron

In this era, everyone has a public microphone and the “media” is mostly manufactured debate shows and videos on YT/instagram/etc. In the past, the debate was with your buddies and on local talk radio maybe?

 

[n_huffhines]

I’d say it evolved from the very thing we aren’t to discuss here. Jordan vs LeBron

In this era, everyone has a public microphone and the “media” is mostly manufactured debate shows and videos on YT/instagram/etc. In the past, the debate was with your buddies and on local talk radio maybe?

The internet has definitely changed the convo. Not only does it give everybody a voice, but literally everything that happens in the league can be shared online. Also, until recently, you pretty much only saw the highlights from the past. Now you can watch full games and actually critique players that you never saw.

 

[n_huffhines]

Here's Jordan 11 years ago taking a shot at everybody but these 4, and he's not even conceding those 4 would have done as well. Open Court with a timely post.

 

[n_huffhines]

@zjcvols if you didn't already listen to the BS pod with Russillo live in Denver, it was a Jokic love fest for 30 minutes.

BS had Jokic in his top 9-13 (already counting a 4th MVP), not quite sure where to put him.

Also, they talked about how people complain about too many 3's and BS more or less said, "some of you don't remember the 90s. I watched and remember. You want 65 possessions per game? You guys want Mark Jackson and Bobby Phils posting up? Remember Al Jefferson? Was that fun at all for anybody? Or do you want 90 possessions?"

They also had a little discussion about today's game being more physical than the 90s, saying they're not sure. It's hard to compare, but that it might be more physical and the surviving Bad Boys highlights have completely skewed our perspective of what the reality was.

 

[n_huffhines]

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5,164 likes, 781 comments - presscaplock on November 19, 2024: ""Kobe, Has Anyone Beaten You 1-On-1"".

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[n_huffhines]

The 6th best player on an average team can do this and also shoots over 40% from 3p

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[peaygolf]

In 1962, Wilt Chamberlain missed eight minutes the entire SEASON and that was because he got ejected one time. He was so worn out by the workload he averaged 50 points and 25 rebounds per game while f'ing 33% of the people he met that year. Load management my a$$

 

[n_huffhines]

In 1962, Wilt Chamberlain missed eight minutes the entire SEASON and that was because he got ejected one time. He was so worn out by the workload he averaged 50 points and 25 rebounds per game while f'ing 33% of the people he met that year. Load management my a$$

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He averaged more than 48 mpg that year. It's hard to wrap your mind around how that's possible, until you watch an actual game (to be clear, still very impressive, but not impossible). Also, it's funny to think about Wilt calling MJ's generation soft for only playing 38 mpg, or whatever.

 

[YankeeVol]

Hot take. Melo should have won ROY in 03-04.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Hot take. Melo should have won ROY in 03-04.

If you only want to look at offensive stats, sure. However, Carmelo was really bad on the defensive end as a rookie (and didnt get much better the rest of his career). LBJ wasnt great on that end as a rookie but Melo was significantly worse.

If you are a believer in the advanced stats that factor in defense, they got it right.....

If Melo had won, it wouldnt have been a travesty since it was pretty close.

 

[n_huffhines]

I would have been OK with Melo winning bc of team success, but yeah, assists and D (and the fact that he was anointed) are the reasons Bron won.

 

[zjcvols]

I would have been OK with Melo winning bc of team success, but yeah, assists and D (and the fact that he was anointed) are the reasons Bron won.

I remember how absolutely massive that debate was on talk shows

 

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[zjcvols]

One of my 5 guys I watched that I wish we can redo this career. Theres a top 35-40 player all time time thread in there

 

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[zjcvols]

What really bothers me about the Jordan gospel is how they will dim other player’s candle to brighten Jordan’s. Clyde Drexler was an awesome, awesome player with a clear top 40 case. Never had another true stud that played with him in Portland. He played really well in the 90’s playoffs and Finals. He was awesome in the 92 playoffs. He didn’t shoot well in the Finals (41%) but wasn’t scared, he averaged 9 FTA’s per game and averaged 28/8/5. Saved Houston’s season after being traded in ‘95, then averaged 20.5/7/5 on 48% shooting for the entire ‘95 playoffs and won a chip. And everyone’s first memory of him is Jordan hitting 6 wide open 3’s in the first half of Game 1. It’s so unfair.

 

[zjcvols]

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