Israel vs Palestinians

[Vol8188]

“Take over”?

All they did was break windows and doors, forcibly enter, and take janitorial staff hostage.

Don’t be so dramatic.

Clearly just exercising his “free speech”

 

[85SugarVol]

Clearly just exercising his “free speech”

 

[volfanhill]

“Take over”?

All they did was break windows and doors, forcibly enter, and take janitorial staff hostage.

Don’t be so dramatic.

In their defense, janitorial staff, aren't people

 

[Smokey123]

Didn’t he also orchestrate the take over of school buildings?

I believe that’s what they said yes

Wild times when people care about terrorist sympathizers that aren’t citizens more than they do American hostages held by said terrorist group

 

[85SugarVol]

In their defense, janitorial staff, aren't people

Just a bunch of “no counts”

 

[NashVol11]

Can you post the op-ed that got them detained?

???

Op-ed: Try again, President Kumar: Renewing calls for Tufts to adopt March 4 TCU Senate resolutions - The Tufts Daily

The independent student newspaper of Tufts University

www.tuftsdaily.com

 

[NashVol11]

Haha, where can I verify that he shared this flyer, is what I mean. I can't even find Fox News claiming this. That might exist, but I can't find it.

This is more of it, but no link to Khalil that I've seen

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/PDF.pdf

 

[EasternVol]

I believe that’s what they said yes

Wild times when people care about terrorist sympathizers that aren’t citizens more than they do American hostages held by said terrorist group

It's not a zero sum game.

 

[NashVol11]

I’m sure they’re really concerned about that

The government not being concerned about things like due process and proof of guilt isn't something to brag about

 

[NashVol11]

Yes …. Palestinians and their supporters love them some Jews

Many of the protestors people keep whining about ARE Jews

 

[Smokey123]

This is more of it, but no link to Khalil that I've seen

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/PDF.pdf

Now can you show where that’s the reason for her detainment?

 

[McDad]

@n_huffhines @utvolpj and any others who are focused on the constitutional rights of folks here on a guest visa.

I looked it up this morning. People here on a guest visa cannot buy or possess a firearm or ammunition. Are you in favor of them being able to? If the constitution applies to "all people" and not only citizens, why the discrepancy? If the right to bear arms doesn't apply, how sure are you the other BoR apply?

 

[NashVol11]

Now can you show where that’s the reason for her detainment?

I think you're confused, you quoted a link to the pamphlet that you only posted the front cover of

 

[Smokey123]

This is more of it, but no link to Khalil that I've seen

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/PDF.pdf

Leavitt talked about it, said she had the flyers on her desk. I’ll see if I can find the clip

And as of just a few days ago they’re saying he also withheld information about his involvement in the UNRWA which would also give legal reason to deport him

 

[Orange_Crush]

@n_huffhines @utvolpj and any others who are focused on the constitutional rights of folks here on a guest visa.

I looked it up this morning. People here on a guest visa cannot buy or possess a firearm or ammunition. Are you in favor of them being able to? If the constitution applies to "all people" and not only citizens, why the discrepancy? If the right to bear arms doesn't apply, how sure are you the other BoR apply?

Let's take it down to probably the most basic Constitutional right:

Can You Vote if You Have a Green Card?

No, Green Card holders are not permitted to vote in federal, state, or most local elections in the United States. Voting rights are strictly reserved for U.S. citizens, and unauthorized voting by non-citizens is considered illegal. While some local jurisdictions have considered limited voting rights for non-citizens in certain elections, this is rare and does not apply to major elections. Attempting to vote as a Green Card holder can have serious legal consequences, including possible deportation or loss of Green Card status. It’s essential to fully understand the limits of voting laws as a Green Card holder to protect your residency status and comply with U.S. laws.

Can You Vote if You Have a Green Card? U.S. Voting Laws Explained in Detail

Can you vote if you have a Green Card in the U.S.? This article discusses the distinctions between voting rights for Green Card holders.

constitutional-law.net

 

[Orange_Crush]

Leavitt talked about it, said she had the flyers on her desk. I’ll see if I can find the clip

And as of just a few days ago they’re saying he also withheld information about his involvement in the UNRWA which would also give legal reason to deport him

It actually would have prevented his initial entry/visa if I remember correctly; a small caveat since that too means he can be deported now, having learned it after the fact.

 

[Smokey123]

I think you're confused, you quoted a link to the pamphlet that you only posted the front cover of

White House says pro-Hamas propaganda was handed out at rallies organized by detained Palestinian activist

Administration officials cited a rarely used provision that allows people’s removal if they present “potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States.”

www.nbcnews.com

Columbia anti-Israel agitator Mahmoud Khalil being deported over ‘pro-Hamas propaganda flyers,’ White House says

Khalil was arrested Saturday by Department of Homeland Security officials.

nypost.com

 

[NashVol11]

Let's take it down to probably the most basic Constitutional right:

The right to vote is explicitly for citizens in the Constitution/amendments, things like due process and freedom of speech aren't limited to citizens

 

[OrangeTsar]

Let's take it down to probably the most basic Constitutional right:

Voting with a green card might be illegal; but if a state doesn’t require voter ID, how does anyone know?

 

[utvolpj]

@n_huffhines @utvolpj and any others who are focused on the constitutional rights of folks here on a guest visa.

I looked it up this morning. People here on a guest visa cannot buy or possess a firearm or ammunition. Are you in favor of them being able to? If the constitution applies to "all people" and not only citizens, why the discrepancy? If the right to bear arms doesn't apply, how sure are you the other BoR apply?

I think this stuff shows the only thing govt can do for our rights is take them away. If you believe free speech or the right to defend yourself is only given to people born in a specific geography then rights are granted as a function of govt. I believe that's backwards to what the ff espoused (and basic logic)

When we're "spreading democracy" around the globe do we want others to have these rights? If so, why should they not have them within our borders?

 

[utvolpj]

Let's take it down to probably the most basic Constitutional right:

Voting is a creation of govt and not a right like speech

 

[Vol8188]

The right to vote is explicitly for citizens in the Constitution/amendments, things like due process and freedom of speech aren't limited to citizens

Is occupying a building (trespassing) just another form of free speech and is that guaranteed for noncitizens?

What about holding a janitor hostage?

 

[NashVol11]

Voting with a green card might be illegal; but if a state doesn’t require voter ID, how does anyone know?

There is a thing called registering to vote

 

[Smokey123]

Now, can you reference where the op-ed has been mentioned anywhere by the WH?

 

[OrangeTsar]

I think this stuff shows the only thing govt can do for our rights is take them away. If you believe free speech or the right to defend yourself is only given to people born in a specific geography then rights are granted as a function of govt. I believe that's backwards to what the ff espoused (and basic logic)

When we're "spreading democracy" around the globe do we want others to have these rights? If so, why should they not have them within our borders?

I get your point. But if there aren’t benefits to being a citizen, why even have citizenship? It is the same concept as a border. Certain things define nationhood. A country defines itself by what is NOT included just as much as what IS.