The Official Tennessee vs. #3 Florida Game Thread, 7:00pm ET, ESPN

#951
#951
BeecherVol said:
UT did not attack the press when they did beat it and that played right into UFs hands.
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This continues to baffle me. When they break the press, they typically have numbers to attack the basket but most times wait to go into their half court sets?
 
#952
#952
walkenvol said:
This continues to baffle me. When they break the press, they typically have numbers to attack the basket but most times wait to go into their half court sets?
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My former coach was of the opinion that when the other team shows aggression (in this case a press) you have to match that aggression with your own.
Tennessee (under CM) has played a defensive or conservative offense if that makes sense. While that in and of it self is not necessarily bad (especially if your proficient in the half court) it doesn't breed an aggressive attitude in anyway on that end of the floor.

Simply put. If Im coaching this particular roster Id rather play 2-2 or 3-3 after beating a press, instead of 5-5 with 1 or 2 liabilities on offense.
I think UFs strength is not their full court pressure but their half court D that is smothering. When I got the opportunity to play away from that, I would take it as much as it was there.
 
#953
#953
InVOLuntary said:
So how long should this experiment be aloud to percolate? So this beautiful 1-3-1 zone took him 3 years to implement so he's really ahead of the curve. Just how low must this program sink before you think it would be acceptable to relieve him? If he doesn't make the dance this year which seems unlikely, he will surely not make it next year. And based on what I've seen of his recruits, I don't see a better roster than this one in the next several years.

I just can't understand that people don't see what is right in front of them and painfully obvious to me that Cuonzo is not going to get it done here, that is if your not ok with nit bids every year.

I guess if you consider a failure a bargain. To me, it's like going to the store and finding a beautiful pair of Nike Jordans and they're half off but they're size 8's and you wear an 11 but hey they're a great deal so you buy them anyway.
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bowlinggreenvol said:
I personally wouldn't have gone the lowest paid coach route and I would've shot higher to begin with, with serious money. Everyone has a price they can be bought for. If Cuonzo's was $1.3mil I would've told him to pound sand. Almost two years ago I took a job that just about doubled my salary, yet it was less than what I was told the hiring range would be. But I didn't quite have the experience they were looking for. I jumped on it cause chances to double your salary don't come around often and if I had pushed the envelope I may have got them to budge a little or I may have priced myself out of a job.

Point being, for $1.3 you could've at least found a coach that had been to the tournament once and I refuse to believe you couldn't.
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I've never said Quonzo doesn't need to win. In fact, a few games ago I made my first post in a while in the BB forum. It was simply a quote from Dave Hart regarding his faith in Martin, that basketball is a tournament sport and the expectation is to make the tournament.

In short, I was as mad as either of you.

Since that time, I've stepped back and looked at things, I've made a bunch of posts so I'm not going to rehash that. I made several posts regarding BBB and the fact that Martin wouldn't be the coach had BP made better choices.

Florida is a better team. They have a coach who's won national championships. Nearly every coach we face has more experience. At the time Martin was hired winning wasn't the main objective, running a clean program was.

I think people are judging Martin unfairly, but it's clear that some are willing to win at any cost, Martin's not that guy.

At this stage, I'm just tired of debating. Can the guy, bring in another. Who are your top choices? What will be their reaction to the firing of the current coach after 3 years, given the situation he was hired under? Enjoy.
 
#954
#954
vol66 said:
I've never said Quonzo doesn't need to win. In fact, a few games ago I made my first post in a while in the BB forum. It was simply a quote from Dave Hart regarding his faith in Martin, that basketball is a tournament sport and the expectation is to make the tournament.

In short, I was as mad as either of you.

Since that time, I've stepped back and looked at things, I've made a bunch of posts so I'm not going to rehash that. I made several posts regarding BBB and the fact that Martin wouldn't be the coach had BP made better choices.

Florida is a better team. They have a coach who's won national championships. Nearly every coach we face has more experience. At the time Martin was hired winning wasn't the main objective, running a clean program was.

I think people are judging Martin unfairly, but it's clear that some are willing to win at any cost, Martin's not that guy.

At this stage, I'm just tired of debating. Can the guy, bring in another. Who are your top choices? What will be their reaction to the firing of the current coach after 3 years, given the situation he was hired under? Enjoy.
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Greg Marshall before Witchita St realizes what he's worth and starts paying him.
Flake or no, Kansas loves him and he WINS.
 
#956
#956
vol66 said:
I've never said Quonzo doesn't need to win. In fact, a few games ago I made my first post in a while in the BB forum. It was simply a quote from Dave Hart regarding his faith in Martin, that basketball is a tournament sport and the expectation is to make the tournament.

In short, I was as mad as either of you.

Since that time, I've stepped back and looked at things, I've made a bunch of posts so I'm not going to rehash that. I made several posts regarding BBB and the fact that Martin wouldn't be the coach had BP made better choices.

Florida is a better team. They have a coach who's won national championships. Nearly every coach we face has more experience. At the time Martin was hired winning wasn't the main objective, running a clean program was.

I think people are judging Martin unfairly, but it's clear that some are willing to win at any cost, Martin's not that guy.

At this stage, I'm just tired of debating. Can the guy, bring in another. Who are your top choices? What will be their reaction to the firing of the current coach after 3 years, given the situation he was hired under? Enjoy.
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Unfairly? The man barely knows that a basketball is round.
 
#958
#958
The first thing my three year old said this morning was, "daddy, did Tennessee win last night?"
After telling him how things finished, he dropped his shoulders and head and whined, "Awwww! Why does Tennessee lose all the time?"
 
#960
#960
Panthro said:
The first thing my three year old said this morning was, "daddy, did Tennessee win last night?"
After telling him how things finished, he dropped his shoulders and head and whined, "Awwww! Why does Tennessee lose all the time?"
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I feel ya, my son is 6, he's on his 4th head coach in football, 2nd in basketball , 3rd if people have their way and on the second in baseball. It's brutal.
 
#961
#961
vol66 said:
I've never said Quonzo doesn't need to win. In fact, a few games ago I made my first post in a while in the BB forum. It was simply a quote from Dave Hart regarding his faith in Martin, that basketball is a tournament sport and the expectation is to make the tournament.

In short, I was as mad as either of you.

Since that time, I've stepped back and looked at things, I've made a bunch of posts so I'm not going to rehash that. I made several posts regarding BBB and the fact that Martin wouldn't be the coach had BP made better choices.

Florida is a better team. They have a coach who's won national championships. Nearly every coach we face has more experience. At the time Martin was hired winning wasn't the main objective, running a clean program was.

I think people are judging Martin unfairly, but it's clear that some are willing to win at any cost, Martin's not that guy.

At this stage, I'm just tired of debating. Can the guy, bring in another. Who are your top choices? What will be their reaction to the firing of the current coach after 3 years, given the situation he was hired under? Enjoy.
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I'm tired too but I appreciate the civility. Please don't confuse my lack of confidence in Cuonzo with anger. I think he's a quality individual but should have never been hired. As far as a new hire, I have absolutely zero confidence Hart and company will hire a coach any better than Cuonzo. And for the record, I don't think they fire Cuonzo this year regardless of a tournament birth or not.
 
#963
#963
G8R8U2 said:
Then your program is unique, because the fundamentals are not only being taught less at a young age, they're being forgotten a lot too, and plenty of coaches talk about having to reteach them periodically.

A lot of players, even great players, hit the AAU circuit and it's all about highlight reel alley-oops and spectacular individual plays rather than organized team ball... it's often like a glorified street tournament.

Those kids get to college and the coaches are appalled at how little they either know about the fundamentals, practice the fundamentals, or both.

I find it hard to believe you've never heard your coach say the team needs to get back to the basics; I've heard BD say it dozens of times, including this year.

You kind of contradicted yourself by saying fundamentals are something they learned in 3rd grade, so don't need to learn it now; but then went and listed 3 very fundamental plays that they failed to convert. It doesn't matter if they've learned it before; if they're failing at it, clearly they need to "get back to the basics".

And I'm hardly rubbing it in; I'm just giving an observation from my perspective, which isn't clouded or influenced by an emotional investment in the Vol program. I've watched UT play in more games than just ones against UF this year, and have thought on a few occasions that UT looked like they were playing a blacktop tourney rather than a cohesive, organized game.

Sometimes when you're running and gunning that can be good, exciting, and teams can go on huge runs; but other times it will cripple a team when they face a more disciplined group with a sound understanding of what the coach wants them to do as a team, and what their individual responsibilities are.

The fact of the matter is you guys have the horses to compete at a higher level and win more games; so if the horses still aren't winning like they should, it must be the guy training or riding the horses.

There is no way your roster should lose to Xavier, UTEP, NCS, TAMU, or VU. True or false?
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You made a long post about it, but all I have to say is you don't have to teach someone to "catch" a ball or "dunk" a ball. "Going back to the basics" is reteaching the defensive position, or how to make a bounce pass, or post defensive position. Our players couldn't catch, couldn't dunk, couldn't make a layup. Those are things you do very, very early. They just couldn't execute. I don't think CCM is going to be having dunking drills because Richardson missed one. We can argue scheme or strategy all day as I would be critical, too. But, last night, if the players executed, UT could have won that game.
 
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#965
#965
InVOLuntary said:
I'm tired too but I appreciate the civility. Please don't confuse my lack of confidence in Cuonzo with anger. I think he's a quality individual but should have never been hired. As far as a new hire, I have absolutely zero confidence Hart and company will hire a coach any better than Cuonzo. And for the record, I don't think they fire Cuonzo this year regardless of a tournament birth or not.
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It's all good and likewise on the civility front, much appreciated.
 
#967
#967
calban said:
Make him the third highest paid coach in the SEC at 2.3 mil with incentives and who knows.
I'd expect him before Pearl.
Not being paid what he's worth. Think he knows it?
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1. He's making close to 2, and in his words has turned down 2+ million from multiple high majors because he's happy where he is.

2. You don't think Wichita would give him a raise?

3. You think hart pays more for a bball coach than fball coach? I don't.

4. Marshall's agent has let it be known we passed him up twice, and he doesn't think to highly of our administration because of that.
 
#970
#970
That was a heck of a play, not sure if he went out or not. Young is not the same type of player that Stokes is; he doesn't have to be. I think he's far fom "great" but he plays an important role for their team.
 
#971
#971
chatavol said:
That was a heck of a play, not sure if he went out or not. Young is not the same type of player that Stokes is; he doesn't have to be. I think he's far fom "great" but he plays an important role for their team.
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He didn't go out, but is that not a travel?
 
#973
#973
bleedingTNorange said:
1. He's making close to 2, and in his words has turned down 2+ million from multiple high majors because he's happy where he is.

2. You don't think Wichita would give him a raise?

3. You think hart pays more for a bball coach than fball coach? I don't.

4. Marshall's agent has let it be known we passed him up twice, and he doesn't think to highly of our administration because of that.
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I tend to agree with the agent, I don't think highly of the UT administration either.
 
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