Since we blame Zo when players play poorly

#76
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87Vol said:
Here's what I want and expect from a UT coach in ANY sport:

To consistently (not perfectly but consistently) lead your team to meet or exceed expectations and to recruit enough talent to be better than just mediocre. Martin has not met that non-negotiable standard.

For this year in men's basketball there is no excuse for us being merely a bubble team. Instead of 19-11, we should be 23-7 at a minimum with this team. If Martin could inspire players to achieve well enough that's where we would be, but he can't, therefore we need to move on to someone who can, like Pearl.
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Why do you keep bringing up Pearl? If we win the next game and make the tourney this will be better than a couple of Pearl years. They already brought up his last year. 2008-2009 was just as bad. #14 Preseason with Smith , Chism and Hopkins. Won 19 regular season games with a lower sos than this year. Lost in the first round. Only a #9 seed. That team had more talent and was ranked.

Bruce had more talented teams that won less games and got low seeds. So why would he automatically make a less talented team win way more games than his own teams did?

I understand if you think Martin isn't getting it done. But stop acting like we only lose to a cpl teams if Bruce was coaching. If we hit free throws a few games and some layups we may be ranked right now.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Wait, I thought NCAAT appearances were a huge accomplishment? When Martin's records are posted among other things, your go to is "he's never been to the NCAAT" or "how many NCAAT has he been to". Yet now when the thought of him making the NCAAT comes up, all of a sudden it's not nearly as significant as you were originally portraying it?
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How about we revisit this WHEN he makes the tourney

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Zo is the rebound girl to Vols fans. He's never gonna measure up to the lost relationship of CBP. Heck I miss CBP but the thought of the next coach being worse or giving CCM another chance... I'll go with giving CCM another chance. That's if we make the dance.

Now if we knew for a fact CBP was coming back it would be different but I think its a pipe dream that VN is holding into.
 
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VolTilliFall1 said:
I'm new to this website and probably won't get any responses but it's worth a shot. So Martin comes in his first year and is picked 11th in the SEC and finishes 2nd. Last year we got snubbed from the tournament and everybody knows it. Middle Tennessee should've never been in ahead of us. Joe Lunardi says if we beat Missouri Saturday that we don't even have to win a game in the sec tourney to get in (even though I think we will then lose to florida) I was a huge bruce pearl fan and would like to have him back. But what did you all expect when we fired bruce? I know I didn't expect cuonzo to even have a winning season his first year. Don't really see why everyone is against him so much?
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I'm in the "he overachieved in the first year" group. Though I question myself a little there. If he really coached us to overachieve that year, why are we now underachieving with a lot of the same guys? Perhaps guys stepping up was the reason and not Zo. That first year may have hurt him a little honestly, it raised expectations.

Year 2 I gave him a slight pass because of Maymons injury. Not to be a **** but I hate the term "snubbed" or when people say so and so stole our bid. Handle your business and you don't have to worry. As they say in MMA never let it go to the judges.

The problem with Zo is it's year 3 and we still struggle with the same stuff as year 1, with a better team. Can't defend the pick n roll, struggle with the press, the offense bogs down when we slow it down, we are wildly inconsistent, his in game adjustments are suspect. We will look like world beaters one night, then turn around and look like a HS team the next. That is very frustrating to a fan base. This team should not be bubble bouncing, yet he we are hoping can win our last couple games and a SEC tourney game. The Jekyll and Hyde routine gets old.

Welcome to VolNation btw
 
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whocaresgobobcats said:
typical Zo. his teams show flashes and then disappear. he has to be more consistent to be successful.
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this is the thing that bothers me,if Cuonzo could get his team to get off to a good start,there wouldn't be all these fire him threads,they usually finish good at the end of the season,why is the question
 
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I believe our success RIGHT NOW has nothing to do with our coach and has everything to do with our players. They seem to be more motivated to win because they know if they don't, we might be in the NIT again.

BUT it's the coaches JOB to motivate players and have them prepared for every game. Not just the "must wins".

We would win these games even without a coach RIGHT NOW. When our players get cold, that's when you need a coach to figure out the best game plan ahead.
 
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Dougie_D said:
I believe our success RIGHT NOW has nothing to do with our coach and has everything to do with our players. They seem to be more motivated to win because they know if they don't, we might be in the NIT again.

BUT it's the coaches JOB to motivate players and have them prepared for every game. Not just the "must wins".

We would win these games even without a coach RIGHT NOW. When our players get cold, that's when you need a coach to figure out the best game plan ahead.
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Remember tis. You can lead a cow to water, but you can not make it drink. You can coach players to win, but you can not make them play as hard as you have coached them to play. Some players are winners, and some are just players. Hard to tell who is which when you are recruiting.
 
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musolfmj said:
With a good Barton sooner we'd be safely in the dance and nowhere near the bubble.
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^This. Barton is finally playing the way at PG we hoped he would play when it was announced he was coming to UT. Not just his ball-handling/passing, but his defense and perimeter shooting.
 
#87
#87
Not unless the Vols beat someone much better than Auburn. Auburn could make any opponent look great.
 
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Gramps said:
Zo should have had his team playing to this level. He has not.
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Being a new poster to this board but not a new person to Tennesseee basketball I really have a problem with some people on this board. A couple of observations 1. Did people think Maymon was going to come back from a year off and be his old self at the beginning of the season he is just now getting back to his self. 2. Did people believe that Barton was going to come in and be the point guard that was missing from this team? 3. Chemistry is what I am talking about it takes time for a squad to jell for everyone to find there role on the team it does not happen overnight even if you have a talented team trust me talent alone does not make you a championship team.

I know people are asking how do I know because I am a high school basketball coach in Georgia. I have won two state titles and been to the final four 3 times. i am saying this because my first state title was not with my most talented team it was a team that had great chemistry. Dont get me wrong you have to have great talent to win but give me team chemistry anyday over a talented team. Last point I want to make ask any coach you want to be playing your best basketball now not peak early but right now going into your conference tournament. I believe CCM is doing that now which is smart coaching. Just my 2 cents.
 
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How can anybody honestly still believe Martin is going to turn this program around? Seriously. Somebody explain.
 
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We blow out 2 garbage teams and all these Martin supporters show up out of nowhere? They are as consistent as his coaching. Wait til he lays an egg in the SECT for the 3rd time in a row and bring you guys back down to reality smh. Martin would have people's support if he did this consistently all year. In January he won every other game and I don't think he has put together more than 4 wins in a row. He is consistently inconsistent, you add that with his boring personality and you have a lot of unhappy fans. There is no way he should have more than 5 losses in this awful SEC. And this is coming from someone who used to he one of his biggest supporters.
 
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[QUOTtgeoked4Zo;9946427]We blow out 2 garbage teams and all these Martin supporters show up out of nowhere? They are as consistent as his coaching. Wait til he lays an egg in the SECT for the 3rd time in a row and bring you guys back down to reality smh. Martin would have people's support if he did this consistently all year. In January he won every other game and I don't think he has put together more than 4 wins in a row. He is consistently inconsistent, you add that with his boring personality and you have a lot of unhappy fans. There is no way he should have more than 5 losses in this awful SEC. And this is coming from someone who used to he one of his biggest supporters.[/QUOTE]

It's the mirror image of those wanting him gone. The board was empty after the lsu and Virginia games, but exploded with "Gonzo sucks" after the A&M games.
 
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If the Vols were to win the SEC Tournament and the NCAA Tournament (which will not happen) there would still be people complaining because he is not Pearl.
 
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We will have 2 all sec players and maybe one of those a POY. Shouldnt be leaving this in the hands of a committee. Period.
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
We blow out 2 garbage teams and all these Martin supporters show up out of nowhere? They are as consistent as his coaching. Wait til he lays an egg in the SECT for the 3rd time in a row and bring you guys back down to reality smh. Martin would have people's support if he did this consistently all year. In January he won every other game and I don't think he has put together more than 4 wins in a row. He is consistently inconsistent, you add that with his boring personality and you have a lot of unhappy fans. There is no way he should have more than 5 losses in this awful SEC. And this is coming from someone who used to he one of his biggest supporters.
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Besides Florida, everyone has done awful in the SEC this year. Imagine being in Kentucky position being ranked #25 with that squad in a weak SEC? Ouch.
 
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Fatman Photos said:
If the Vols were to win the SEC Tournament and the NCAA Tournament (which will not happen) there would still be people complaining because he is not Pearl.
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I think Pearl is ten times better than Martin. It will not bother me if Pearl is not hired. It will bother me if Martin is retained and given an extension. He has shown for 3 years he cannot get the job done. TN can do much better. Tennessee Vols do not have to settle for mediocrity. Martin is average at best.
 
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Gramps said:
I think Pearl is ten times better than Martin. It will not bother me if Pearl is not hired. It will bother me if Martin is retained and given an extension. He has shown for 3 years he cannot get the job done. TN can do much better. Tennessee Vols do not have to settle for mediocrity. Martin is average at best.
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As our basketball history has shown, Tennessee can do a LOT worse than 10+ win SEC seasons. And, as our recent football history has shown us, we better be careful what we ask for. It wasn't that long ago we were down where Auburn is now in basketball.

If you look at the trend of the program in Pearl's last few seasons and then compare it to Martin's three seasons, Martin has a passing grade. Now, he needs to get us to the NCAA tournament, but I would not cut him loose after three straight 10 win conference seasons even if it doesn't happen this year.

Our fans seem so entitled. They think that just because we have players wearing orange, the coach should be able to just roll the balls out there and win national titles. It is a little bit more difficult than that. Again, 10+ win conference records should not be ignored. I don't care what the perceived strength of the conference is. I remember us being much, much worse.
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
We blow out 2 garbage teams and all these Martin supporters show up out of nowhere? They are as consistent as his coaching. Wait til he lays an egg in the SECT for the 3rd time in a row and bring you guys back down to reality smh. Martin would have people's support if he did this consistently all year. In January he won every other game and I don't think he has put together more than 4 wins in a row. He is consistently inconsistent, you add that with his boring personality and you have a lot of unhappy fans. There is no way he should have more than 5 losses in this awful SEC. And this is coming from someone who used to he one of his biggest supporters.
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Show up out of nowhere? We've been here the whole time but once we say that we support coach Zo we get treated like we said we support Saban. We called stupid, told that we don't understand basketball. Exactly how do you expect us to act?

Didn't read the rest btw
 
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whobethis16 said:
Nobody has said we should be in this position. It's just that some of us still cheer for them to make a run, but it pisses off those of you that think we all should be concerned with raising hell and trying to get him fired instead of cheering for them to succeed.
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I can and will do both. I support the team but damn this coach. I'm not saying Pearl is the only option but he did come in and do more with less. This team has far too much talent to be in the position that we are in.
 
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