Since we blame Zo when players play poorly

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whobethis16 said:
Because making the tournament is better than not making it. It's not a big improvement, but still an improvement. It fascinates me that you attempt to sound intelligent with the "chicken ****" and "****", but too dumb to see that making the tournament is an improvement over not making it.
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And it fascinates me that you can't understand how just 'making the tourney' with this team is improvement.

This team is too good to 'just make the tourney.'. However, due to their inconsistencies, that's what they're now hoping.

Keep trying.
 
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lostsheep said:
And it fascinates me that you can't understand how just 'making the tourney' with this team is improvement.

This team is too good to 'just make the tourney.'. However, due to their inconsistencies, that's what they're now hoping.

Keep trying.
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Maybe so. But this argument is about improvement, not how good the team should've been. Did they improve as much as people hoped/thought? No. But if they get to the Dance, they still improved.
 
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lostsheep said:
Illogical argument BTO. How the f*** you see any improvement between year 2 and 3 is beyond me.
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Wait, I thought NCAAT appearances were a huge accomplishment? When Martin's records are posted among other things, your go to is "he's never been to the NCAAT" or "how many NCAAT has he been to". Yet now when the thought of him making the NCAAT comes up, all of a sudden it's not nearly as significant as you were originally portraying it?
 
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lostsheep said:
And it fascinates me that you can't understand how just 'making the tourney' with this team is improvement.

This team is too good to 'just make the tourney.'. However, due to their inconsistencies, that's what they're now hoping.

Keep trying.
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If you get a 68% on a test, then study your ass off and get a 71%, did you improve, even though you studied so much you thought you'd get an 85%?
 
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whobethis16 said:
I love how you think you can see the future.
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I would gladly place a friendly wager with ANYONE who thinks next year will be better than this year. With the best team Martin has had, we are on the bubble (again). Spin it how you want, but scraping into the tournament with a talented, veteran team is not impressive. #BBB
 
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lostsheep said:
And it fascinates me that you can't understand how just 'making the tourney' with this team is improvement.

This team is too good to 'just make the tourney.'. However, due to their inconsistencies, that's what they're now hoping.

Keep trying.
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Won't ever defend the dude u quote d but making the dance should be the goal even to start the season. A good team which we have can make a run.
 
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87Vol said:
No. He's still a subpar coach. The level of competition the last two games has been really bad. A good coach with our talent would have had at least 5 more wins this year. (1st Xavier game, both TxA&M games, Vandy in Nashville, and @ Mizzou) we should have won. With a good coach, we'd be safely in the dance and nowhere near the bubble.
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And they beat them like they stole sumthin. What more do you want?
 
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Exfix said:
I would gladly place a friendly wager with ANYONE who thinks next year will be better than this year. With the best team Martin has had, we are on the bubble (again). Spin it how you want, but scraping into the tournament with a talented, veteran team is not impressive. #BBB
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You all have speculations and that's it. You have no guarantees that it won't end in a 19-20 win season and in this position again.
 
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CCM's not great or awful. He's meh and wildly inconsistent. Every time I think I have my mind made up (one way or the other), he almost promptly makes me reconsider, for better or worse. Honestly, if we keep this play up for a little longer, we could not only make the tournament, but possibly make the S16/E8. Past results however would seem to indicate that at some point before then we will fizzle.
 
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Exfix said:
I would gladly place a friendly wager with ANYONE who thinks next year will be better than this year. With the best team Martin has had, we are on the bubble (again). Spin it how you want, but scraping into the tournament with a talented, veteran team is not impressive. #BBB
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So we lose 3 guys, and only 1 MIGHT stick on an NBA roster. I don't think there will be the drastic drop-off that everybody is expecting. DT handling the point. Hubbs, Richardson, and Moore holding down 2-4. We will have a different, smaller lineup, and I think we need a competent big man, but we will be MUCH more athletic next year and won't have 2 post players with cement shoes on.

We will have to score and shoot a little better due to not pulling as many Off rebounds, but I think we can with our increased athleticism.
 
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Could Martin be turning the corner? Sure he could be. Have I thought this before? Yes It's hard to buy into it this time though. I want Tennessee and whoever is coaching to be successful, so my heart almost tricks me into it. My brain says don't be an idiot. Honestly getting on a run wouldn't convince me either, though I'd be more open to him coming back. I would head into next year extremely cautious. As many people have stated, inconsistency inconsistency inconsistency, is the problem. Plus it seems like something will work a couple games, then he reverts back to old Zo. It is so frustrating to watch.
 
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whobethis16 said:
You all have speculations and that's it. You have no guarantees that it won't end in a 19-20 win season and in this position again.
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Lol, I said nothing about a guarantee. Do you believe next year will be better? Honestly?
 
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volinSmyrna said:
So we lose 3 guys, and only 1 MIGHT stick on an NBA roster. I don't think there will be the drastic drop-off that everybody is expecting. DT handling the point. Hubbs, Richardson, and Moore holding down 2-4. We will have a different, smaller lineup, and I think we need a competent big man, but we will be MUCH more athletic next year and won't have 2 post players with cement shoes on.

We will have to score and shoot a little better due to not pulling as many Off rebounds, but I think we can with our increased athleticism.
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There is potential for sure, but not enough experience and/or proof that we will be fine next year. After all, we'll be losing the vast majority of our scoring, rebounding, etc. In this sense, I could see next years team being like CCM's 1st, which in fairness to Cuonzo, overachieved and nearly made the dance. On the other hand, we could be 16-14 and 7-11 in conf. Just don't know.
 
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Exfix said:
I'm sure you would. You could reverse those numbers just as easily. We still won't be better than next year and that's what I said I would bet on. Takers?
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Better than what? A bubble team? A nit team? A NCAAT team? A sweet 16 team?

This season isn't over yet, so I'm not sure what "better than" is?
 
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vols 30 said:
You called Martin a good coach. That tells me all I need to know.
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Okay, I am disappointed in not making the tournament, but Martin has won at least 10 conference games every year,he has been here.

That is not bad. Wade Houston was bad. There is a difference.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Better than what? A bubble team? A nit team? A NCAAT team? A sweet 16 team?

This season isn't over yet, so I'm not sure what "better than" is?
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Changing the discussion? You know exactly what I mean. Neither subjectively nor objectively (win total, NCAAT bid) will we be better unfortunately. To make it easy for you, I would say the 19 wins we already have will be a very tall task for next years squad. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. I like your optimism though.
 
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HBCButch said:
And they beat them like they stole sumthin. What more do you want?
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Here's what I want and expect from a UT coach in ANY sport:

To consistently (not perfectly but consistently) lead your team to meet or exceed expectations and to recruit enough talent to be better than just mediocre. Martin has not met that non-negotiable standard.

For this year in men's basketball there is no excuse for us being merely a bubble team. Instead of 19-11, we should be 23-7 at a minimum with this team. If Martin could inspire players to achieve well enough that's where we would be, but he can't, therefore we need to move on to someone who can, like Pearl.
 
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Exfix said:
Changing the discussion? You know exactly what I mean. Neither subjectively nor objectively (win total, NCAAT bid) will we be better unfortunately. To make it easy for you, I would say the 19 wins we already have will be a very tall task for next years squad. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. I like your optimism though.
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I think next years squad is capable of 18-20 wins. Hard to make a prediction without seeing a schedule.

I mean A&M likely wins 18 games or so, I think next years Tennessee squad has more talent than that group. The key will be avoiding bad losses to teams you should beat (UTEP, A&M, Vandy). You do that, and depending on OOC schedule they could win 20 games.
 
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I'm new to this website and probably won't get any responses but it's worth a shot. So Martin comes in his first year and is picked 11th in the SEC and finishes 2nd. Last year we got snubbed from the tournament and everybody knows it. Middle Tennessee should've never been in ahead of us. Joe Lunardi says if we beat Missouri Saturday that we don't even have to win a game in the sec tourney to get in (even though I think we will then lose to florida) I was a huge bruce pearl fan and would like to have him back. But what did you all expect when we fired bruce? I know I didn't expect cuonzo to even have a winning season his first year. Don't really see why everyone is against him so much?
 
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