Stokes eligibility?

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This probably doesn't matter since I expect Stokes to leave after this season anyway.

Since he graduated HS at Christmas and enrolled in UT in January, he will have played 2 1/2 years at the completion of this season. Is he eligible to red shirt 1 semester and play not only next season but the following one also? Say for example he red shirted the fall semester of 2014, would he have 3 more semesters to play? Can you even red shirt by semester or is it for an entire season?
 
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walkenvol said:
This probably doesn't matter since I expect Stokes to leave after this season anyway.

Since he graduated HS at Christmas and enrolled in UT in January, he will have played 2 1/2 years at the completion of this season. Is he eligible to red shirt 1 semester and play not only next season but the following one also? Say for example he red shirted the fall semester of 2014, would he have 3 more semesters to play? Can you even red shirt by semester or is it for an entire season?
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He has one year to play. Simple as that really. There are no loopholes. He basically forfeited a half season of eligibility to play the second semester of his freshman (HS senior) season. He could redshirt next season and play as a true senior in 15-16, butv that isn't happening.
 
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I've always heard "5 years to play 4". Does this mean he's got 2 years of football eligibility if he wanted.

Again, I think hetries pro bball after this season anyway.
 
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walkenvol said:
I've always heard "5 years to play 4". Does this mean he's got 2 years of football eligibility if he wanted.

Again, I think hetries pro bball after this season anyway.
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His football eligibility is totally separate. He currently has three years of eligibility in football.

He enrolled in spring 2011 (much like an EE for football. He sat out football in 2012 & 2013. Essentially, he "redshirted" in 2012, didn't play as a "RS Fr" in 2013, and is eligible to play in 2014, 15, & 16.

That is all unlikely, but is hypothetical.
 
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BurninOrange said:
Rumblings are he is heavily considering staying for his Sr year.
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Good for us fans, but I don't know that it helps him. I'd guess by now he's shown the next level what he has to offer.

Only way I could see that happening would be if he thought the NBA wasn't going to give him a chance.
 
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His staying (which I doubt) would certainly be the best news going into the 2014-15 season.
 
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walkenvol said:
Good for us fans, but I don't know that it helps him. I'd guess by now he's shown the next level what he has to offer.

Only way I could see that happening would be if he thought the NBA wasn't going to give him a chance.
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NBA draft is supposedly weaker next year. That is the fuel behind the notion he may return.
 
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cncchris33 said:
His football eligibility is totally separate. He currently has three years of eligibility in football.

He enrolled in spring 2011 (much like an EE for football. He sat out football in 2012 & 2013. Essentially, he "redshirted" in 2012, didn't play as a "RS Fr" in 2013, and is eligible to play in 2014, 15, & 16.

That is all unlikely, but is hypothetical.
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He would be a college legend if he finished his bball career in 2014/15 then played 2 years of fball in 2015 and 2016.
 
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The one thing that I have said all along is that Jarnell's age is huge in deciding to stay or go. Because he came in midway through his HS senior year, he was 17. He is only 20 now and would be 21 next spring and as a draft pick. If he was good enough to get drafted in the 1st round, age wouldn't matter. But players that have to develop can get caught with the age factor, and sometimes guys are 23 going into the NBA. The fact that he will only be 21 is huge IMO.
 
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walkenvol said:
Good for us fans, but I don't know that it helps him. I'd guess by now he's shown the next level what he has to offer.

Only way I could see that happening would be if he thought the NBA wasn't going to give him a chance.
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This draft class is loaded, and that would be the reason.
 
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I think Stokes staying would say a lot about both his draft stock and his feelings on Cuonzo. People assumed halfway through the year that he was itching to leave because he couldn't stand Cuonzo. Looks like that might not be the case.
 
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Bruce Wayne said:
I think Stokes staying would say a lot about both his draft stock and his feelings on Cuonzo. People assumed halfway through the year that he was itching to leave because he couldn't stand Cuonzo. Looks like that might not be the case.
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People did assume that Stokes did not like Martin and that is far from the truth. Stokes considers Martin as a mentor and a father figure. Also Martin has been personally helping Stokes develop better footwork and also working with him on his mid range game.

I think that Stokes will benefit by coming back next year for his Sr. year. If I had to put a number on it I would say that there is about a 70% chance that Stokes returns next year.
 
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walkenvol said:
He would be a college legend if he finished his bball career in 2014/15 then played 2 years of fball in 2015 and 2016.
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True, however I would think his needing to improve his mid range jumper would be a factor also. just saying, would love to see him return.
 
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BurninOrange said:
People did assume that Stokes did not like Martin and that is far from the truth. Stokes considers Martin as a mentor and a father figure. Also Martin has been personally helping Stokes develop better footwork and also working with him on his mid range game.

I think that Stokes will benefit by coming back next year for his Sr. year. If I had to put a number on it I would say that there is about a 70% chance that Stokes returns next year.
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I agree. Right now when teams look at Stokes they see DaJuan Blair. A 9th or 10th guy off the bench (maybe). If he keeps working on his midrange game they might be able to see David West. This should be Stokes's goal.
 
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I would like to see him stay and improve his draft stock, but I'm not going to be angry if he leaves this off-season.
 
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cncchris33 said:
His football eligibility is totally separate. He currently has three years of eligibility in football.

He enrolled in spring 2011 (much like an EE for football. He sat out football in 2012 & 2013. Essentially, he "redshirted" in 2012, didn't play as a "RS Fr" in 2013, and is eligible to play in 2014, 15, & 16.

That is all unlikely, but is hypothetical.
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Never actually looked up the exact rules until now, but you have 5 years of eligibility to play 4 from the time you enroll in a 2 or 4 years school, whether you play sports or not, and doesn't matter if you drop out and go back to school later, weird.
 
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CMcEver said:
Never actually looked up the exact rules until now, but you have 5 years of eligibility to play 4 from the time you enroll in a 2 or 4 years school, whether you play sports or not, and doesn't matter if you drop out and go back to school later, weird.
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Yes. Your eligibility clock begins the minute you enroll as a full-time student (a minimum of registering for 12 credit hours in a semester qualifies you as a full-time student).

Stokes' eligibility clock began in January of 2012. His eligibility for basketball expires after the 2014-15 season, assuming he doesn't redshirt his senior year (similar to Maymon), in which case he could play the 2015-16 season as a redshirt senior.

His football eligibility would have run from the 2012 season to 2016 season (5 years to play 4), and he would be viewed as an early enrollee like Josh Malone or Jalen Hurd for that purpose. Both enrolled in January of 2014, and are eligible to play any 4 of the next 5 seasons (2014-2018).
 
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BurninOrange said:
People did assume that Stokes did not like Martin and that is far from the truth. Stokes considers Martin as a mentor and a father figure. Also Martin has been personally helping Stokes develop better footwork and also working with him on his mid range game.

I think that Stokes will benefit by coming back next year for his Sr. year. If I had to put a number on it I would say that there is about a 70% chance that Stokes returns next year.
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If I were Stokes and the pre-draft scounts/experts feedback was I will be drafted and get an NBA contract, then it wouldn't make sense to stay at UT to work on his skills. Instead, get paid by the NBA to work on your skills. If the feedback is you're a likely 2nd round pick without a guaranteed contract, then come back for your Junior season (its easy to forget his age isn't it?) and develop your skills futher and get a degree.

It will be interesting to see the pre-draft analysis. Stokes has markedly improved his play this season and I wonder if its enough to overcome his lack of height as an NBA post player?
 
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