1-3-1 zone

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Tonight, Tennessee was leading early in the second half by 2 and Bama was gaining some momentum after whittling down our 7- point halftime lead. Then coach Martin switched to the 1-3-1 zone and Alabama was never the same the rest of the night. I know coach Martin likes the switching man-to-man defense, but tonight he didn't just go to the zone as a change up. We were in it for about the last 17 minutes of the game.

Are we seeing a trend developing with this team? Does coach Martin see the team as a team more effective with the zone due to the length of our guards? Do we play more zone the rest of the way, especially when we go against the Gators in Knoxville.

I'll hang up & listen to your comments.
 
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I'm not sure as to how much we use it going forward (depends on the opponent), but it was the best coaching I've seen him do since he's been here.
 
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We'll be using it going forward. Our beat writer Ben Fred and also Wes Rucker have said CCM indeed will use it. Ben Fred said he'll have a more about the zone tomorrow.
 
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Zo is starting to also use Stokes in the high post a lot more. Stokes is a total different player when he's facing the basket from 8-12 feet away. He has a very nice touch at that distance, and it's something Zo should have been doing since Stokes was on campus. Id also love to see Moore start and Maymon come off the bench. With Moore starting we should be able to spread that 1-3-1 zone out to half court and press some. If this team learns to run the floor better, and cut hard to the basket, they will continue to have success. McRae is near unstoppable when we run break and go hard to the rim and he trails for a wide open three once our guards penetrate and kick.
 
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keckjm said:
Zo is starting to also use Stokes in the high post a lot more. Stokes is a total different player when he's facing the basket from 8-12 feet away. He has a very nice touch at that distance, and it's something Zo should have been doing since Stokes was on campus. Id also love to see Moore start and Maymon come off the bench. With Moore starting we should be able to spread that 1-3-1 zone out to half court and press some. If this team learns to run the floor better, and cut hard to the basket, they will continue to have success. McRae is near unstoppable when we run break and go hard to the rim and he trails for a wide open three once our guards penetrate and kick.
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We aren't going to run 1-3-1 enough to warrant Moore starting over Maymon. We'll still be majority man. Now when we start pressing and going 1-3-1 then I'm fine with Moore coming in.
 
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keckjm said:
Zo is starting to also use Stokes in the high post a lot more. Stokes is a total different player when he's facing the basket from 8-12 feet away. He has a very nice touch at that distance, and it's something Zo should have been doing since Stokes was on campus. Id also love to see Moore start and Maymon come off the bench. With Moore starting we should be able to spread that 1-3-1 zone out to half court and press some. If this team learns to run the floor better, and cut hard to the basket, they will continue to have success. McRae is near unstoppable when we run break and go hard to the rim and he trails for a wide open three once our guards penetrate and kick.
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True about Stokes facing the basket. He is far more dangerous as a scorer when facing the basket and the defender.
 
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SJAVol32 said:
We aren't going to run 1-3-1 enough to warrant Moore starting over Maymon. We'll still be majority man. Now when we start pressing and going 1-3-1 then I'm fine with Moore coming in.
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I'd still start Moore. Maymon is a shell of himself. He can't even hit a layup, and all he really brings most games is hustle. Moore is just more athletic, and he's a better defender. Maymon is the leader of this team, but his knee isn't close to being right.
 
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keckjm said:
I'd still start Moore. Maymon is a shell of himself. He can't even hit a layup, and all he really brings most games is hustle. Moore is just more athletic, and he's a better defender. Maymon is the leader of this team, but his knee isn't close to being right.
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I'll still take his 11 and 8 over Moore that's just me. I get what your saying but he takes pressure off of stokes with double teams and Moore can't do that. He can only guard a bigger player for so long.
 
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Quote of the day by Coach Martin: "Our guys really love the 1-3-1. Especially Jordy since he can just stand around."
 
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keckjm said:
Zo is starting to also use Stokes in the high post a lot more. Stokes is a total different player when he's facing the basket from 8-12 feet away. He has a very nice touch at that distance, and it's something Zo should have been doing since Stokes was on campus. Id also love to see Moore start and Maymon come off the bench. With Moore starting we should be able to spread that 1-3-1 zone out to half court and press some. If this team learns to run the floor better, and cut hard to the basket, they will continue to have success. McRae is near unstoppable when we run break and go hard to the rim and he trails for a wide open three once our guards penetrate and kick.
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If we stretch to half court, it cannot be against a good 3 point shooting team.
 
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keckjm said:
I'd still start Moore. Maymon is a shell of himself. He can't even hit a layup, and all he really brings most games is hustle. Moore is just more athletic, and he's a better defender. Maymon is the leader of this team, but his knee isn't close to being right.
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a shell of himself averaging nearly a double double. i'll take it.
 
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volinreallife said:
If we stretch to half court, it cannot be against a good 3 point shooting team.
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We need to press more and run the floor more. We make a ton of turnovers when pushing break, mainly because of piss poor floor spacing, but we also score the best on the run. Our half court offense is embarrassing most games. Unless Stokes gets the ball in the high post or McRae bails us out, we area below average team on offense in the half court. I mean, in reality we are an average team as it is anyways. If we want to win against big time teams, we have to find ways to generate easy points. Zo has, and will never obtain unless he gets better assistant coaches, no understanding of basketball floor spreading and movement in half court offensive sets. We shoot way to many threes most games, and we are a piss poor shooting team most nights. Therefore, I believe the 1-3-1 zone in short spurts should allow for a change of pace in the game to hopefully generate turnovers and easy points for us. At this point we are looking at a low seed in the tournament, so it'd be wise to find new ways to generate turnovers, unless you want to see us get hammered by a great team in the second round of the tournament.
 
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keckjm said:
I'd still start Moore. Maymon is a shell of himself. He can't even hit a layup, and all he really brings most games is hustle. Moore is just more athletic, and he's a better defender. Maymon is the leader of this team, but his knee isn't close to being right.
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Maymon has deserved plenty of criticism this season, but this suggestion is whack IMO, especially with the way he has been playing recently.

I'm very pleased with Moore's production, but people seem to get blinded by his blocking ability to see that he struggles on defensive assignments. Don't get me wrong, he's not McBeeing it or anything, but he just lacks experience and brings pretty much nothing to the table offensively. Luckily, I really think these things will work themselves out with PT. He's filling his role well, but I don't see it expanding to substantially more PT this season. Either way, he's looking more like a potential contributor now, and I LIKE THAT (Workaholics voice).
 
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1. The 1-3-1 is a great move. DT at the point of it is great. We are a great rebounding team which allows more zone play but JM and JR must be motivated to rebound because shots against a 1-3-1 are very seldom from the center of the court thus creating a lot of weakside wing rebounds. You can't play it for long stretches on teams with either 2 shooters or 2 posts that work together. For example: Florida. They have shooters and their other two posts they play(their names escape me) along with Young look capable of catching in the short corner and dumping to Young for a domestic rim assault.
2. I think I read that CCM also mentioned a 2-3 for future use. 2-3 zones of today are not the ones you played in church league games in the 80's. Teams are really teaching anticipation and stretching to the 3pt line. It isn't just about packing it in anymore. I would worry about JM covering to the wing and corner multiple times in one possession out of a 2-3 but AM and AJD would work.
3. That Bama win felt good.
4. I love DT. Huge future.
 
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keckjm said:
I'd still start Moore. Maymon is a shell of himself. He can't even hit a layup, and all he really brings most games is hustle. Moore is just more athletic, and he's a better defender. Maymon is the leader of this team, but his knee isn't close to being right.
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I thought Maymon showed signs of looking more like the Jeronne of old tonight. Still doesn't have the burst he used to have, but seems to be making strides. He was clearly frustrated at himself for not finishing a few of those drives, but seemed more confident in his ability to beat guys off the dribble.
 
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SJAVol32 said:
We aren't going to run 1-3-1 enough to warrant Moore starting over Maymon. We'll still be majority man. Now when we start pressing and going 1-3-1 then I'm fine with Moore coming in.
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Moore should be in when playing 1-3-1 though.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Maymon has deserved plenty of criticism this season, but this suggestion is whack IMO, especially with the way he has been playing recently.

I'm very pleased with Moore's production, but people seem to get blinded by his blocking ability to see that he struggles on defensive assignments. Don't get me wrong, he's not McBeeing it or anything, but he just lacks experience and brings pretty much nothing to the table offensively. Luckily, I really think these things will work themselves out with PT. He's filling his role well, but I don't see it expanding to substantially more PT this season. Either way, he's looking more like a potential contributor now, and I LIKE THAT (Workaholics voice).
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We've pretty much settled on a 7 man rotation. Not sure why Davis is playing.
20-25 minutes of Moore spelling the 3 - 4 positions would give a lot more continuity. JMO
 
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I thought the switch to zone was the best move CCM has made since he has been here. Bama had found a say to beat us with the dribble drive and if he doesn't make that change we probably lose.
Stokes gives us a new weapon with the 10-12' but he needs to work on it and get quicker on the release. Suggests he needs another year to increase value in the draft.
DT is not playing like a freshman. He kept he poise for most of the night. I can only remember the one bad pass in the 2nd half against the press and he looked comfortable bringing it up. Stayed calm and poised as a veteran.
Bama was not the team of the past, but we did play better and I will take it.
 
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keckjm said:
I'd still start Moore. Maymon is a shell of himself. He can't even hit a layup, and all he really brings most games is hustle. Moore is just more athletic, and he's a better defender. Maymon is the leader of this team, but his knee isn't close to being right.
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Easy to critique him after his worst game in awhile, he struggled, it happens. He's still averaging damn near a double double, and is a huge advantage for us when he's on the floor.

Moore is most effective as an energy boost 10-15 minutes a game, that's it.
 
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It is a defense to use against guard oriented quick perimeter teams. Keeps them out of the lane and really makes it hard to throw good entry passes. If you have players with long arms it can be difficult to play against. I would think it would be perfect for a lineup of Thompson, McRae, Richardson, and Moore with either Stokes or Maymon. AJ also is a lanky type player and played a lot last night.
 
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volinreallife said:
If we stretch to half court, it cannot be against a good 3 point shooting team.
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Alabama isn't a great 3 point shooting team, it's why we played it. He said Florida game was out of hand so there was no point in that game. Don't want do it against ole miss because of Henderson, so last night was the right time.

You will see it going forward, but probably not on an every game basis for 20 minutes like you saw tonight.
 
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