1-3-1 zone

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Also we seemed to handle the full court pressure much better last night than against Florida. Another area that CCM has addressed quickly as he knew coming out of that Gator game teams will attack UT with it.
 
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SlyStone said:
Also we seemed to handle the full court pressure much better last night than against Florida. Another area that CCM has addressed quickly as he knew coming out of that Gator game teams will attack UT with it.
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Only 5 turnovers. None coming off of the press.
 
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SJAVol32 said:
I'll still take his 11 and 8 over Moore that's just me. I get what your saying but he takes pressure off of stokes with double teams and Moore can't do that. He can only guard a bigger player for so long.
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You confused Dane Bradshaw with that last comment.
 
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The first lineup we had when we went to it was Thompson (on top), McRae (on wing), AJ Davis (on wing), Stokes (in middle), and Richardson (on baseline). That is a prototypical lineup to run a 1-3-1. We ran it some with both Stokes and Maymon in but it only remained effective because Alabama has such bad personnel against a zone. Against other teams I think we should only run it with AJ/Moore playing the '4' position. With those lineups in, we have the ability to be a top notch 1-3-1 team. Will be good change of pace defense when teams get comfortable and start to make runs.
 
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SJAVol32 said:
I get this is probably a joke but I'll still ask. What? Lol
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You said that Moore was shorter and couldn't guard bigger people for only a limited amount of time.
I said that Dane would be confused because he did it with Pearl. He held is own and we still won a lot. Also, I know that at times it wasn't ideal but my point was that if you go shorter then you can still win. Plus, Moore can jump out of the gym. He can make up for his height.
 
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smokey0625 said:
You said that Moore was shorter and couldn't guard bigger people for only a limited amount of time.
I said that Dane would be confused because he did it with Pearl. He held is own and we still won a lot. Also, I know that at times it wasn't ideal but my point was that if you go shorter then you can still win. Plus, Moore can jump out of the gym. He can make up for his height.
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And I agree but I don't see him doing it for 20 plus mins. That's just my opinion tho.
 
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I have been preaching all year that Tennessee needed to play some zone defense to stop the at will drive to the layup basket by the opposing players. Well, it happened! Alabama looked like a deer in the headlights when they cut it to 2 and Tennessee slapped the 1-3-1 zone defense on them. As Coach Martin says, it does not allow the direct pass. The passes must go over the top to penetrate. Big deal! The 1-3-1 allows pressure to be applied on the outside arc and the high post while allowing for trapping in the corners. I would like to know how many of our losses could have been reversed with a little strategic zone play. The team itself was one, surprised that Martin finished the game with it much less using it, and two, surprised at how effective it was. I think this one change to having the zone defense in their arsenal makes this team one to be feared from here on out!
 
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coachwgh said:
1. The 1-3-1 is a great move. DT at the point of it is great. We are a great rebounding team which allows more zone play but JM and JR must be motivated to rebound because shots against a 1-3-1 are very seldom from the center of the court thus creating a lot of weakside wing rebounds. You can't play it for long stretches on teams with either 2 shooters or 2 posts that work together. For example: Florida. They have shooters and their other two posts they play(their names escape me) along with Young look capable of catching in the short corner and dumping to Young for a domestic rim assault.
2. I think I read that CCM also mentioned a 2-3 for future use. 2-3 zones of today are not the ones you played in church league games in the 80's. Teams are really teaching anticipation and stretching to the 3pt line. It isn't just about packing it in anymore. I would worry about JM covering to the wing and corner multiple times in one possession out of a 2-3 but AM and AJD would work.
3. That Bama win felt good.
4. I love DT. Huge future.
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Nice post Coach, I agree on all points.

Don't know if anybody watched Duke vs. Cuse b4 our game but DT is starting to remind me of Tyler Innis. The only thing DT is missing is about a half a step and a floater. They are both long pg's with very active hands, and that is awesome to have at the top of a zone.

Also, DT either has an excellent poker face/demeanor or he is really calm and posed for a freshman pg. Either way its impressive.

I hope he keeps the foot on the offensive pedal, its making everybody better. IMO
 
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Lefteye said:
Nice post Coach, I agree on all points.

Don't know if anybody watched Duke vs. Cuse b4 our game but DT is starting to remind me of Tyler Innis. The only thing DT is missing is about a half a step and a floater. They are both long pg's with very active hands, and that is awesome to have at the top of a zone.

Also, DT either has an excellent poker face/demeanor or he is really calm and posed for a freshman pg. Either way its impressive.

I hope he keeps the foot on the offensive pedal, its making everybody better. IMO
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Michael Carter-Williams
 
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Tennessee used 1-3-1 zone defense last half against alabama. Maybe coach Martin talked to ghost of Ray Mears. Mears teams played the 1-3-1 defense as their primary defense when he was coaching at Tennessee..Vanderbilt hated Mears. He baited Vandy fans in Nashville unmercilessly before the game..usually got his team way up for the game and often the win. That defense worked against Alabama...fearless forecast Tennessee 70 Vandy 58..play fast. Go 1-3-1..
 
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SPRINGHILLVOL said:
Tennessee used 1-3-1 zone defense last half against alabama. Maybe coach Martin talked to ghost of Ray Mears. Mears teams played the 1-3-1 defense as their primary defense when he was coaching at Tennessee..Vanderbilt hated Mears. He baited Vandy fans in Nashville unmercilessly before the game..usually got his team way up for the game and often the win. That defense worked against Alabama...fearless forecast Tennessee 70 Vandy 58..play fast. Go 1-3-1..
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Vandy's main offense is their perimeter shooting. I don't know if we'll go to a zone unless they aren't shooting it well. I'd play man and get their big guys in foul trouble. They only have 7 scholarship players. Get 1 or 2 guys in foul trouble and you can create big mismatches.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
Vandy's main offense is their perimeter shooting. I don't know if we'll go to a zone unless they aren't shooting it well. I'd play man and get their big guys in foul trouble. They only have 7 scholarship players. Get 1 or 2 guys in foul trouble and you can create big mismatches.
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Pains me to say this, but due to this fact Stallings is a close 2nd to Donovan to SEC coach of the year. IMO
And maybe could be argued #1. I'd still give it to BD tho.
 
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Lefteye said:
Pains me to say this, but due to this fact Stallings is a close 2nd to Donovan to SEC coach of the year. IMO
And maybe could be argued #1. I'd still give it to BD tho.
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He has done more with less. He usually does less with more. I'll wait until the end of the season. Vandy hasn't exactly played a murderer's row here in their 3 game winning streak. They've won at A &M, at UGA and Miss St at home. None of those teams will sniff the NCAA tourney. They got beat at Bama and got destroyed by LSU. Any pretty good team has beaten them this year. UT is a pretty good team.

They close the season with 4 pretty tough games. They get Fla, UT, LSU and Ole Miss in a row. If they win one of those I'll be slightly surprised.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
He has done more with less. He usually does less with more. I'll wait until the end of the season. Vandy hasn't exactly played a murderer's row here in their 3 game winning streak. They've won at A &M, at UGA and Miss St at home. None of those teams will sniff the NCAA tourney. They got beat at Bama and got destroyed by LSU. Any pretty good team has beaten them this year. UT is a pretty good team.

They close the season with 4 pretty tough games. They get Fla, UT, LSU and Ole Miss in a row. If they win one of those I'll be slightly surprised.
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Yeah that's a pretty tuff last 4. I expect Ole Miss to have folded like a cheap tent by then tho. JMO and hehehe
 
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Lefteye said:
Yeah that's a pretty tuff last 4. I expect Ole Miss to have folded like a cheap tint by then tho. JMO and hehehe
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Ole Miss might've saved their season Sat. They came back from being 15 down to So Car at home and won. They lose that one and the wheels might've come off.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
Ole Miss might've saved their season Sat. They came back from being 15 down to So Car at home and won. They lose that one and the wheels might've come off.
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They just prolonged the inevitable, they'll collapse before long, they're about to actually start playing some quality teams.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
They just prolonged the inevitable, they'll collapse before long, they're about to actually start playing some quality teams.
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They should. Their first part of their schedule had some softies. They swept So Car but not by much. They've gotten to play a lot of the old West teams which aren't good. UT has no losses to the old West teams so far.
 
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That was a brilliant coaching move by the staff and I think you will see some zone against Florida.
 
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I like it better with DT up top. Jrich and Mcrae on the wings and Moore working the baseline would be nice, assuming their isn't some 6'10 post just camping out.
Teams have film now. The wing and corner shots are generally open if you are working a nice offense. Especially corner as the baseline defender basically has corner to corner. That's a lot of space to cover, but with length on the wings and up top, teams can't reverse it as quickly and Moore or whomever has more time to get to the potential shooter.

wasn't trying to preach. just started rambling and typing.
 
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whocaresgobobcats said:
a shell of himself averaging nearly a double double. i'll take it.
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That's what's so scary. I'm short, white, and not athletic, and nearly all the guys I play pickup ball with can out jump maymon at this point, and he still whips the vast majority of posts in the NCAA. If he had his vertical leap, he'd be something else. Probably not an NBA guy just due to his size problems, but not being able to dunk and get up at his size has certainly cost him points, rebounds, and us games.

Imagine him going up with two hands and dunking at Wichita St this year instead of getting blocked and them coming down and scoring.
 
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