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[jasonvol18]

This may have been mentioned, but haven't seen it. Our 1st win under Heupel after trailing at HT. I'm sure you guys saw it, under Josh we were 0-9 when trailing at HT and 22-0 when leading. Finally got that 1st Dub when trailing. If we play this sloppy next week with all those penalties and being one dimensional, we get killed. We all know Saban is going to load the box next week and make Milton beat them. And he's yet to prove he can, he actually gets worse instead of better every week.

 

[madbamahater]

Dropped passes and penalties

 

[hardyemt_p]

Receiver group needs a talking to

 

[ftsandersvol]

Receiver group needs a talking to

 

[Orangeblood75]

This may have been mentioned, but haven't seen it. Our 1st win under Heupel after trailing at HT. I'm sure you guys saw it, under Josh we were 0-9 when trailing at HT and 22-0 when leading. Finally got that 1st Dub when trailing. If we play this sloppy next week with all those penalties and being one dimensional, we get killed. We all know Saban is going to load the box next week and make Milton beat them. And he's yet to prove he can, he actually gets worse instead of better every week.

It’s not just Joe, Keyton and these “stud” receivers need to step up. Doesn’t matter who is at QB1 if they don’t catch it. We’ve dropped at least 3/4 open touchdown passes this year on easy catches. That’s not counting the harder catches. A receiver is a lot like a first baseman, it’s not always gonna be pretty but you’re expected to catch it. I’m not saying Joe is playing great or even good but it’s not as bad as it appears.

 

[CNCVol88]

I think TAMU has a better defense than Bama. We will see, but all the blame can't be placed on Joe. The receivers (especially Keyton) dropped some things you just have to pass and there were a few times that the arm was clearly held and the refs just didn't call anything. Joe Also had a better game than Max Johnson. It was just 2 solid defenses making life miserable for QBs.

 

[901 Orange]

This may have been mentioned, but haven't seen it. Our 1st win under Heupel after trailing at HT. I'm sure you guys saw it, under Josh we were 0-9 when trailing at HT and 22-0 when leading. Finally got that 1st Dub when trailing. If we play this sloppy next week with all those penalties and being one dimensional, we get killed. We all know Saban is going to load the box next week and make Milton beat them. And he's yet to prove he can, he actually gets worse instead of better every week.

1st off there really isn't a way to load the box against us unless we go away from wide splits. The most you're gonna see in the box is 7 and that's if we bring the TE in tight. Even with that we just ran all over the best run defense in the SEC. Our run game is serious business. I know everyone is doom and gloom about the passing game but TBH there was probably somewhere close to 200 passing yards we missed out on with drops and none DPI calls. Nimrod should have had a huge game he got robbed of a TD and another deep ball. Keyton drops a big TD and should have drawn DPI on 2 more deep balls.

 

[66volfan]

The offense just put 200+ rushing yards on one of the top rated defenses against the run in the nation. Milton can dink and dunk good enough to punish them for loading the box. It isn’t all doom and gloom.
I ain’t just plumb giddy bout this offense but it isn’t as bad as y’all making it out to be.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

This is a dang Gary Danielson talking point.

As with many things Gary says, it's kind of meaningless once you think about it.

The team that's behind at halftime is less likely to win the game than the team leading? Shocking.

There is research that shows the team leading at the start of the final period (4th qtr in football and basketball, 3rd period in hockey) is 80% likely to win the game.* Couldn't find any research about halftime leads, but it is probably also a very significant advantage.

Perhaps if we throw out the obvious mis-matches (remember how anemic our roster was in '21 after Grey, To'o To'o and 33 others jumped ship?), like '21 Bama, '21 UGa, '21 Florida, and '22 UGa, our loss rate after trailing at the half is probably just about like every other team.

So...it's a pretty big nothing burger. It basically says, we didn't come back against Pitt, Ole Miss, or Purdue in '21 like we could've.

Shocking.

Go Vols!



* These researchers focused on pro sports; one may reasonably assume their findings are pretty valid for college as well: Paramjit S. Gilla, "Late-Game Reversals in Professional Basketball, Football, and Hockey", The American Statistician, Vol. 54, No. 2 (May, 2000)

 

[Zues1]

As I mentioned previously, those are stats that always get broken.

 

[OLEVOLFAN]

This may have been mentioned, but haven't seen it. Our 1st win under Heupel after trailing at HT. I'm sure you guys saw it, under Josh we were 0-9 when trailing at HT and 22-0 when leading. Finally got that 1st Dub when trailing. If we play this sloppy next week with all those penalties and being one dimensional, we get killed. We all know Saban is going to load the box next week and make Milton beat them. And he's yet to prove he can, he actually gets worse instead of better every week.

He will have his breakout game next week, and then everyone on here will be calling him Great. That's just the way this board works. Backasswards

 

[Stephen Gray]

This is a dang Gary Danielson talking point.

As with many things Gary says, it's kind of meaningless once you think about it.

The team that's behind at halftime is less likely to win the game than the team leading? Shocking.

There is research that shows the team leading at the start of the final period (4th qtr in football and basketball, 3rd period in hockey) is 80% likely to win the game.* Couldn't find any research about halftime leads, but it is probably also a very significant advantage.

Perhaps if we throw out the obvious mis-matches (remember how anemic our roster was in '21 after Grey, To'o To'o and 33 others jumped ship?), like '21 Bama, '21 UGa, '21 Florida, and '22 UGa, our loss rate after trailing at the half is probably just about like every other team.

So...it's a pretty big nothing burger. It basically says, we didn't come back against Pitt, Ole Miss, or Purdue in '21 like we could've.

Shocking.

Go Vols!



* This team researched pro sports; one may reasonably assume their findings are pretty valid for college as well: Paramjit S. Gilla, "Late-Game Reversals in Professional Basketball, Football, and Hockey", The American Statistician, Vol. 54, No. 2 (May, 2000)

Gary says annoying stuff regularly. At least he gave the crowd a little extra oomph with this weeks Neyland comment. Not that our folks ever need reasons to maximize noise there

 

[BenGrimm]

This is a dang Gary Danielson talking point.

As with many things Gary says, it's kind of meaningless once you think about it.

The team that's behind at halftime is less likely to win the game than the team leading? Shocking.

There is research that shows the team leading at the start of the final period (4th qtr in football and basketball, 3rd period in hockey) is 80% likely to win the game.* Couldn't find any research about halftime leads, but it is probably also a very significant advantage.

Perhaps if we throw out the obvious mis-matches (remember how anemic our roster was in '21 after Grey, To'o To'o and 33 others jumped ship?), like '21 Bama, '21 UGa, '21 Florida, and '22 UGa, our loss rate after trailing at the half is probably just about like every other team.

So...it's a pretty big nothing burger. It basically says, we didn't come back against Pitt, Ole Miss, or Purdue in '21 like we could've.

Shocking.

Go Vols!



* These researchers focused on pro sports; one may reasonably assume their findings are pretty valid for college as well: Paramjit S. Gilla, "Late-Game Reversals in Professional Basketball, Football, and Hockey", The American Statistician, Vol. 54, No. 2 (May, 2000)

This one is a lot like the 30pt threshold W-L record I kept hearing about. It doesn’t even take into account all the times where 20 pts would have been enough to win but we just exploded for more points.

 

[tennesseeduke]

This may have been mentioned, but haven't seen it. Our 1st win under Heupel after trailing at HT. I'm sure you guys saw it, under Josh we were 0-9 when trailing at HT and 22-0 when leading. Finally got that 1st Dub when trailing. If we play this sloppy next week with all those penalties and being one dimensional, we get killed. We all know Saban is going to load the box next week and make Milton beat them. And he's yet to prove he can, he actually gets worse instead of better every week.

Also 1st one scoring less than 30pts

 

[wmcovol]

4 penalties (3 holding & facemask on OL) really stopped Tennessee drives. 2 holding callls(Castles & Webb) appeared to be very tacky. The facemask was just dumb as was Lane grabbing the LB 5 yds past the LOS.

These things & drops have to stop to have a chance vs Bama.

 

[VolDaddy61]

This may have been mentioned, but haven't seen it. Our 1st win under Heupel after trailing at HT. I'm sure you guys saw it, under Josh we were 0-9 when trailing at HT and 22-0 when leading. Finally got that 1st Dub when trailing. If we play this sloppy next week with all those penalties and being one dimensional, we get killed. We all know Saban is going to load the box next week and make Milton beat them. And he's yet to prove he can, he actually gets worse instead of better every week.

That's been the plan every game, and it hasn't worked out for the opponent five times.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

It’s not just Joe, Keyton and these “stud” receivers need to step up. Doesn’t matter who is at QB1 if they don’t catch it. We’ve dropped at least 3/4 open touchdown passes this year on easy catches. That’s not counting the harder catches. A receiver is a lot like a first baseman, it’s not always gonna be pretty but you’re expected to catch it. I’m not saying Joe is playing great or even good but it’s not as bad as it appears.

The problem is we are now beginning to face the meat of the schedule. Our Offense, including QB , play is not improving. In fact their play is getting worse. Most of this creepers around the QB. Lack of effort, settling for running out of bounds instead of making an effort to get that extra yard or so, getting penalties for plAy lazy in their blocking efforts, dropping more throWin on target, etc. It is still A game of attitude and the attitude of the Offense is not up to par. Thank God for the attitude and play of the defense and special teams.

 

[VolMarine1371]

This may have been mentioned, but haven't seen it. Our 1st win under Heupel after trailing at HT. I'm sure you guys saw it, under Josh we were 0-9 when trailing at HT and 22-0 when leading. Finally got that 1st Dub when trailing. If we play this sloppy next week with all those penalties and being one dimensional, we get killed. We all know Saban is going to load the box next week and make Milton beat them. And he's yet to prove he can, he actually gets worse instead of better every week.

This is also Josh 1st career win I believe, where the offense didn’t score at least 30.

 

[loosecannon]

Receiver group needs a talking to

I thought Nimrod was better than expected. He looks and blocks similarly to Bru. Keaton has the ability to make plays and gets wide open but can’t finish. He could have been an all-conference player this year but has not performed. I would love to see Dee get a screen. Squirrel didn’t get enough touches.

 

[CAVPUT]

This is also Josh 1st career win I believe, where the offense didn’t score at least 30.

I think it's a sign of progress. This is the SEC. As we've learned, not every UT qb is going to be able to run Heupel's offense the way Hooker did. We are going to face teams with elite defenses that will not allow playstation scoring. Heupel is recruiting great defenders and rounding out this program. Probably still feeling the physical beating UGA put on our best team in 20 years last year, but it's a sign Heupel and UT are growing. Can't win this league with offense alone. Gotta have talent in all 3 phases.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

CJH is 0-9 when trailing at the half by more than a field goal. Pretty simple. Don’t fall behind in the first half of ball games.

Isn’t he also 22-0 when he has a lead at the half?

 

[NighthawkVol]

I thought Nimrod was better than expected. He looks and blocks similarly to Bru. Keaton has the ability to make plays and gets wide open but can’t finish. He could have been an all-conference player this year but has not performed. I would love to see Dee get a screen. Squirrel didn’t get enough touches.

I can’t agree that Nimrod looks and blocks similar to Bru (Bru is huge and Nimrod is not), but I do agree that he played much better than I expected. He looked good. Maybe Webb should replace Keyton.

 

[VolMarine1371]

Half way through the season and Joe is getting worse. He’s not recognizing the plays fast enough, he not getting the play called fast enough, and he still taking delay of game penalty’s because he not getting the play fast enough from the sideline and getting the team lined up. He is also hanging into the ball too long and taking unnecessary sacks when he could throw it away if he was seeing the play fast enough. I feel like at this point if we not gonna make change at QB, we may be better off slowing it down and huddling up every play to make sure every one is on the same page. We are having to rely on the rushing game and our defense to win now, and last thing we need to do is have short drives and out our defense at a disadvantage. Huddle up and chew time off the clock while running the ball.

It’s not just the receivers dropping the balls, it’s also play recognition and game management. Like last night we have 3rd and 8 and he runs out of bounds 1 yard shy when he has a DB half his size after him. We don’t get that one yard and end up getting stopped which turned into 7 points. Then we roll him out on 4th down and he waits till he’s trapped on the sideline with no where to go to throw the ball out of bounds on 4th down. His refusal to run the ball is not helping this offense. When he does decide to pull it on a read option he gains yards. Hooker wasn’t scared to pull it and run. If we needed 1 yard everyone knew Hooker was getting that 1 yard and not running out of bounds.

 

[VolMarine1371]

I think it's a sign of progress. This is the SEC. As we've learned, not every UT qb is going to be able to run Heupel's offense the way Hooker did. We are going to face teams with elite defenses that will not allow playstation scoring. Heupel is recruiting great defenders and rounding out this program. Probably still feeling the physical beating UGA put on our best team in 20 years last year, but it's a sign Heupel and UT are growing. Can't win this league with offense alone. Gotta have talent in all 3 phases.

Maybe not everyone can run Heupel system like Hooker, but surely we have someone on the team that can complete more than 50% passes and throw more than 100yds for a game .

 

[SAPPER 5]

It's good to be pissed after grinding out a win over one of the best defenses we'll face all year.