'10 IL OT Zach Fulton

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I know the staff is very high on this kid. I really like him too. I see him as like a J. Schofield of this year.
 
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Question...

I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on Zach Fulton. He was dominant at the Tennessee camp as well as the Illinois Nike camp, and most thought he would jump into the 250. What else does he need to do to prove his worth, and do you see him making the jump later? Thanks.
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Zach is one of the players we went back and forth on quite a bit. We decided to keep him at a 5.7 three-star because we think overall he is a solid player off of film evaluation and the camp performances, we aren't ready to put him into the four-star pool. A future move up? That is certainly possible.

Recruiting fans like to just say "This player 'dominated' in camp" when really we found the player to be good, but not great. I don't know why, but the term 'dominate' seems to be thrown in there by a lot of fans as time goes by. I have heard recruiting fans say a player dominated when the film I shot of the player clearly shows otherwise.

Anyways, back to Zach, he had a good performance at Illinois NIKE, definitely one of the best offensive linemen there. Unfortunately, I was not permitted to film that event. But his performance doesn't necessarily mean he is a four-star. He is an above average D-1A prospect with the potential to be great, but we aren't ready to make that four-star call at this time.

But yes, I think it is possible he moves up later. - Greg Ladky
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I think the recruiting services miss on more recruits in their evaluations than they get right. I really could care less about his star rating as long as he can play and I think the staff if doing what they should be doing and evaluating these recruits themselves.
 
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OC Brown is the #9 OG by Rivals and Fulton is the #12 OG.
Whoever Rivals sent to Tennessee's camp has to be one of the absolute worst evaluators of talent in the business.
Those two prospects aren't even close to being in the same league.
Fulton was dominate at camp. Best offensive lineman there by far including Stone. Brown was not impressive at all.

Just wow.
 
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I saw that Fulton is now a 5.7 on Rivals...

A strong senior season and a good performance at an all-star game will get him the 0.1 needed for a 4th star...

And before anyone says it...it does matter when it comes to perception which is vital to landing some recruits....

These kids pay attention to who they're going to play with and one of the biggest things they have to base their opinion on are these ratings...

And I totally agree on the Brown comment...from what I hear, any scout who attended our camp and still thinks Brown is a better prospect than Fulton has no business being a scout
 
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blamie said:
I saw that Fulton is now a 5.7 on Rivals...

A strong senior season and a good performance at an all-star game will get him the 0.1 needed for a 4th star...

And before anyone says it...it does matter when it comes to perception which is vital to landing some recruits....

These kids pay attention to who they're going to play with and one of the biggest things they have to base their opinion on are these ratings...

And I totally agree on the Brown comment...from what I hear, any scout who attended our camp and still thinks Brown is a better prospect than Fulton has no business being a scout
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I posted this on the O.C. Brown thread and I'll post it again on this one.

O.C. Brown went to the camp with another player from Manassas named Julius Martin. Julius while a solid H.S. player is a DII college player at best. They put Julius with the "A Group", that is the group with, Stone, Fulton, Tait, Pair etc... O.C. was 100 yards from the main group. He was working with the general population of campers. There was something like 300 players at this camp and O.C. and Julius were clearly mixed up. I was in contact with coach O. on numerous occasions about him wanting O.C. to come to the camp. Coach O. also confirmed that they mistakenly got Julius and O.C. in the wrong groups.

There is no way you can compare O.C. and Fulton because they were never even close to each other.

I wasn't there so I can't tell you how he did but I'm guessing you guys ripping O.C. were not there either.

The star ratings are not for who is the best player today but who has the most college potential. O.C. Brown has NFL athleticism. He can dunk a basketball with 2 hands at 300+ pounds. He's been lifting weights for 7 months now.

Please stop trying to build your guy up by tearing someone else down when you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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Joe Paluka said:
I posted this on the O.C. Brown thread and I'll post it again on this one.

O.C. Brown went to the camp with another player from Manassas named Julius Martin. Julius while a solid H.S. player is a DII college player at best. They put Julius with the "A Group", that is the group with, Stone, Fulton, Tait, Pair etc... O.C. was 100 yards from the main group. He was working with the general population of campers. There was something like 300 players at this camp and O.C. and Julius were clearly mixed up. I was in contact with coach O. on numerous occasions about him wanting O.C. to come to the camp. Coach O. also confirmed that they mistakenly got Julius and O.C. in the wrong groups.

There is no way you can compare O.C. and Fulton because they were never even close to each other.

I wasn't there so I can't tell you how he did but I'm guessing you guys ripping O.C. were not there either.

The star ratings are not for who is the best player today but who has the most college potential. O.C. Brown has NFL athleticism. He can dunk a basketball with 2 hands at 300+ pounds. He's been lifting weights for 7 months now.

Please stop trying to build your guy up by tearing someone else down when you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Let's see...

Both players came to camp....one performed so well that he immediately became one of our biggest targets on the OL...the other performed so poorly that according to all reputable sources he hasn't been actively pursued by our coaching staff since...

You obviously have some sort of personnal tie to Brown...with your contact of our coaching staff on his account being evidence of that...

So...word of advice...when you're lecturing someone about avoiding personnal bias when giving an opinion...you might want to make sure you leave your own bias out of it...or at least try to hide it
 
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If he was with the B group he should have dominated then. And he didn't. End discussion.
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O.C.'s offer list is not very impressive. Our staff isn't the only one who thinks he's not very good.
 
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blamie said:
Let's see...

Both players came to camp....one performed so well that he immediately became one of our biggest targets on the OL...the other performed so poorly that according to all reputable sources he hasn't been actively pursued by our coaching staff since...

You obviously have some sort of personnal tie to Brown...with your contact of our coaching staff on his account being evidence of that...

So...word of advice...when you're lecturing someone about avoiding personnal bias when giving an opinion...you might want to make sure you leave your own bias out of it...or at least try to hide it
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Thanks for the advice. I am O.C. Brown's O-Line Coach. I have stated this from my very first post. Like many of you have said after missing on your 84th recruit (just counted them) it's July and it's not where your recruiting class/offer list starts. It's where it finishes. Time will tell for both UT and O.C.

I do not wish to carry on this debate in the Zach Fulton thread. He may read this. I know O.C. does. I'm sure Fulton is a fine player and I hope he has a great career as a vol.
 
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I would take OC Im not sure on the dislike for a home state player who has stated that he likes UT. He might not be the player Fulton is but the kid isnt bad. OC if you get your offer come here. I promise these guys will immediately like you if you're in good ole UT orange
 
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Joe Paluka said:
Thanks for the advice. I am O.C. Brown's O-Line Coach. I have stated this from my very first post. Like many of you have said after missing on your 84th recruit (just counted them) it's July and it's not where your recruiting class/offer list starts. It's where it finishes. Time will tell for both UT and O.C.

I do not wish to carry on this debate in the Zach Fulton thread. He may read this. I know O.C. does. I'm sure Fulton is a fine player and I hope he has a great career as a vol.
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This gives you more credibility than most on here in my opinion. I will say your personal relationship with O.C. does make it a little more difficult to be objective.

That being said, most of the guys on hear get their information from the pay sites. While it is nice to know this information, it is not always accurate. I don't know that the pay sites talent evaluators are that great anyway. Outside of Kiffin's war room, nobody really knows for sure. (Scroggins was a lock 3 months ago, and I also remember reading the article last year where Kiffin said he went to visit O.C. first because he was impressed with his evaluation tapes.)

I read this blog as Mantertainment. It is kinda like People magazine for me. You have to understand that quite a few of the "talent evaluators" on here are high school kids that "watch" football. They have never played. One guy on here is given a lot of credibility as a great qb talent evaluator because he has watched a lot of film on youtube of these quarterback recruits, and plays qb in his neighborhood pick up two hand touch games. I really wish I could make that up, but I read it in his own post.:eek:lol:

So please take it with a grain of salt. Realize that you are most likely dealing with a bunch of hormonal teenage brats that have opinions.

You can tell who are the more reputable guys on here by their posts. I generally like reading posts by guys who give links to there information, and kinda of report to us on volnation without getting to much into speculation and evaluation.
 
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Fulton just picked up his 4th star on Scout. According to them, we now have one 5star and seven 4star players committed. Not bad for mid-August...
 
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70 Zach Fulton Senior OT 6'5 / 310
Fulton, a Tennessee commitment, mans the left tackle spot for the Vikings. Their offense has him pulling quite a bit. While he was able to have some effectiveness there, I ultimately do not think that is where he will make his living. He is a strong kid with good size and he does look to get into his man and finish them, leading me to think he is likely a guard at the next level. I do think it is possible for him to play right tackle. Once he gets into a college weight program, he should get even stronger and more powerful and I think he could develop into a great run blocker at Tennessee.
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Scout's evaluation after seeing him play this week...
 
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