10 year show cause/NCAA, Tyndall discussion (merged)

[SeniorDrill]

That's the NCAA's fairy tale. He didn't lie, he wasn't uncooperative, he didn't destroy evidence. Many folks were gullible enough to believe something entirely made up by the NCAA to make him appear guilty. Today was the day they went to their knees and begged them not to go federal, ole pal! Take it to the bank!

 

[MemphisVol04]

Let's see the data if you have any. I made a living analyzing data so show me yours.

:lolabove:

Demands proof of someone's statement yet refusing to provide any to defend his positions despite countless requests. All the while too damn stupid to see the poster provided his source in the FIRST FREAKING SENTENCE.

Please don't ever change, gump. :good!:

 

[whobethis16]

That's the NCAA's fairy tale. He didn't lie, he wasn't uncooperative, he didn't destroy evidence. Many folks were gullible enough to believe something entirely made up by the NCAA to make him appear guilty. Today was the day they went to their knees and begged them not to go federal, ole pal! Take it to the bank!

I wouldn't take anything you claim to the bank because so far you've been wrong on everything:

Claim 1: Tyndall will be the Tennessee coach next year (2015-16). WRONG

Claim 2: Tyndall will not receive any punishment at all. WRONG

 

[buzz4tennessee]

I won't argue with the crazy part, but you're blind to Tyndall's biggest blunder.

He did the same thing Pearl did. Lied, failed to cooperate at first and tried to cover his ass. He got a 3 year show cause for minor offenses.

Even if as you say Tyndall didn't know about the fraud, he has done many things that make it look like he is uncooperative, lying, destroying evidence and fabricating false evidence.That's why he's being made an example of using circumstantial evidence against him.

Where in the NOA does it say that Tyndall lied or fabricated evidence? What false evidence did he fabricate?

Just because you phone people or text them does not prove anything. He had an interest to communicate with each of those during the Fall of 2014 due to the allegations that came out of the blue. He needed to know the full story since he was unaware of what had been occurring thanks to Adam "The Liar" Howard's activity. At least, that is what it appears to be.

In Pearl's case, he actually told those at the BBQ to withhold testimony from the NCAA concerning the goings on. Where is the evidence that shows Tyndall ever said anything to those involved to lie to the NCAA?

 

[mcdoug]

Let's see the data if you have any. I made a living analyzing data so show me yours.

Here's the link:

Verbal Commits

Click the conference to find the schools then click the school name in question. They use an average of the most recent rivals, scout, and espn rankings.

As for jucos, I didn't see ETSU as a destination on any of the 2015 juco recruiting's top 100 players nor did the bucs land any of 247's 2016 top juco prospects as far as I can tell.

 

[calban]

Where in the NOA does it say that Tyndall lied or fabricated evidence? What false evidence did he fabricate?

Just because you phone people or text them does not prove anything. He had an interest to communicate with each of those during the Fall of 2014 due to the allegations that came out of the blue. He needed to know the full story since he was unaware of what had been occurring thanks to Adam "The Liar" Howard's activity. At least, that is what it appears to be.

In Pearl's case, he actually told those at the BBQ to withhold testimony from the NCAA concerning the goings on. Where is the evidence that shows Tyndall ever said anything to those involved to lie to the NCAA?

Maybe you should read the NOA or investigative report that's been posted numerous times. It's all in there.

 

[calban]

That's the NCAA's fairy tale. He didn't lie, he wasn't uncooperative, he didn't destroy evidence. Many folks were gullible enough to believe something entirely made up by the NCAA to make him appear guilty. Today was the day they went to their knees and begged them not to go federal, ole pal! Take it to the bank!

I guess you have firsthand evidence that they made it all up. Probably mixed in with the wealth of knowledge you've posted from the appeal. I'll see if you've posted it.

 

[buzz4tennessee]

I wouldn't take anything you claim to the bank because so far you've been wrong on everything:

Claim 1: Tyndall will be the Tennessee coach next year (2015-16). WRONG

Claim 2: Tyndall will not receive any punishment at all. WRONG

The only reason that he was wrong was because of Dave "Beady-Eyed" Hart. If it had not been for Dave's actions after meeting with the NCAA, Tyndall would have had institutional support that would have made it difficult for them to do anymore than they did to Jim Boeheim or Larry Brown.

Of course, Dave saw himself as being a hero to "the nuts" who hated Tyndall and would slobber all over themselves by hiring Kevin Durant's one-year college coach. Even though that coach was justifiably fired due to his team's continued decline from being an active participant on the national level in college bb.

"The Nuts" that I refer to are those snobs that thought hiring a former OVC and C-USA coach was beneath the dignity of such a storied bb program as The University of Tennessee. Let's face it, Steve Prohm(Iowa St.), and Billy Kennedy(Texas A&M) were former OVC head coaches and Mike White(Florida) is a former C-USA coach. Why wouldn't a former Morehead St. and USM coach have just as much coaching creditability? After all, one of his Morehead St. teams had knocked off Rick Pitino's famed Louisville team in a previous NCAA tournament game!

 

[calban]

Fabricate: (from the NOA)

(1) instructed the DOBO to fabricate a document purportedly showing that the USM compliance office had approved, two-plus years earlier, student-athlete 3's high school coach paying student-athlete 3's educational expenses;
(2) participated in numerous phone and text conversations with individuals involved in the investigation at significant times, often using a cell phone registered in his mother's name that he did not divulge until his third interview; and
(3) deleted all emails from an account associated with another institution, even though he was aware that the emails were relevant to the investigation and would be of interest to the enforcement staff

 

[buzz4tennessee]

Maybe you should read the NOA or investigative report that's been posted numerous times. It's all in there.

Since you've read it, why don't you just give the page number where it is posted? I don't believe that I saw anything to the effect in the first 26 pages.

I doubt that you or any of your confederates read it either!

 

[whobethis16]

The only reason that he was wrong was because of Dave "Beady-Eyed" Hart. If it had not been for Dave's actions after meeting with the NCAA, Tyndall would have had institutional support that would have made it difficult for them to do anymore than they did to Jim Boeheim or Larry Brown.

Of course, Dave saw himself as being a hero to "the nuts" who hated Tyndall and would slobber all over themselves by hiring Kevin Durant's one-year college coach. Even though that coach was justifiably fired due to his team's continued decline from being an active participant on the national level in college bb.

"The Nuts" that I refer to are those snobs that thought hiring a former OVC and C-USA coach was beneath the dignity of such a storied bb program as The University of Tennessee. Let's face it, Steve Prohm(Iowa St.), and Billy Kennedy(Texas A&M) were former OVC head coaches and Mike White(Florida) is a former C-USA coach. Why wouldn't a former Morehead St. and USM coach have just as much coaching creditability? After all, one of his Morehead St. teams had knocked off Rick Pitino's famed Louisville team in a previous NCAA tournament game!

Those guys haven't been investigated in 2 of their last 2 stops, didn't violate their contract by having NCAA issues (contract never mentioned how serious, just that if he has issues it is grounds to be terminated) and have never been hit with a show-cause. So, there's really no comparison between Tyndall and those others.

 

[calban]

Since you've read it, why don't you just give the page number where it is posted? I don't believe that I saw anything to the effect in the first 26 pages.

I doubt that you or any of your confederates read it either!

See post 1258 recopied it for you.

 

[whobethis16]

The only reason that he was wrong was because of Dave "Beady-Eyed" Hart. If it had not been for Dave's actions after meeting with the NCAA, Tyndall would have had institutional support that would have made it difficult for them to do anymore than they did to Jim Boeheim or Larry Brown.

Of course, Dave saw himself as being a hero to "the nuts" who hated Tyndall and would slobber all over themselves by hiring Kevin Durant's one-year college coach. Even though that coach was justifiably fired due to his team's continued decline from being an active participant on the national level in college bb.

"The Nuts" that I refer to are those snobs that thought hiring a former OVC and C-USA coach was beneath the dignity of such a storied bb program as The University of Tennessee. Let's face it, Steve Prohm(Iowa St.), and Billy Kennedy(Texas A&M) were former OVC head coaches and Mike White(Florida) is a former C-USA coach. Why wouldn't a former Morehead St. and USM coach have just as much coaching creditability? After all, one of his Morehead St. teams had knocked off Rick Pitino's famed Louisville team in a previous NCAA tournament game!

And if Tennessee got slammed for keeping him, you'd be giddy just because the Boy Wonder would be close enough where you could smell his sweat. You're obviously purely a Tyndall fan and not a Vol fan.

 

[buzz4tennessee]

Fabricate: (from the NOA)

(1) instructed the DOBO to fabricate a document purportedly showing that the USM compliance office had approved, two-plus years earlier, student-athlete 3's high school coach paying student-athlete 3's educational expenses;
(2) participated in numerous phone and text conversations with individuals involved in the investigation at significant times, often using a cell phone registered in his mother's name that he did not divulge until his third interview; and
(3) deleted all emails from an account associated with another institution, even though he was aware that the emails were relevant to the investigation and would be of interest to the enforcement staff

I have recently addressed everything that you have posted here. So this was a waste of my time to read. In fact I spoke of number 2 just today.

 

[508mikey]

Get this through your thick skull. He admitted to being responsible because he was the head coach. He admitted to nothing regarding academic fraud and the NCAA found nothing connecting him to academic fraud in their entire investigation. That is not a fireable offense.

 

[whobethis16]

I have recently addressed everything that you have posted here. So this was a waste of my time to read. In fact I spoke of number 2 just today.

So, you admit that Tyndall is an oblivious moron? That can be the only explanation as to why the head coach would be blindsided when called to face the investigation committee at his former school.

 

[Dallasbowlin]

Let's see the data if you have any. I made a living analyzing data so show me yours.

Thought you were in the service , and work at bass pro?

 

[buzz4tennessee]

And if Tennessee got slammed for keeping him, you'd be giddy just because the Boy Wonder would be close enough where you could smell his sweat. You're obviously purely a Tyndall fan and not a Vol fan.

You are dead wrong! I am a Vol fan first and that is why I liked Tyndall's job performance; I could see that he was serious about UT becoming a player on the main stage of college bb. Barnes, on the other hand, is demonstrating to me that his objective is to feather his nest until he can retire instead of being fired for the 2nd time in his career.

Yes, Tyndall was fired once. It was because Hart was interested in providing a legacy for himself by hiring what he thought was a future hof'er. But when all is said and done, Barnes may be rejected from such an honor due to multiple firings. I don't know if there has ever been a member of the HOF who has EVER BEEN FIRED.

 

[whobethis16]

You are dead wrong! I am a Vol fan first and that is why I liked Tyndall's job performance; I could see that he was serious about UT becoming a player on the main stage of college bb. Barnes, on the other hand, is demonstrating to me that his objective is to feather his nest until he can retire instead of being fired for the 2nd time in his career.

Yes, Tyndall was fired once. It was because Hart was interested in providing a legacy for himself by hiring what he thought was a future hof'er. But when all is said and done, Barnes may be rejected from such an honor due to multiple firings. I don't know if there has ever been a member of the HOF who has EVER BEEN FIRED.

If you're looking at every sport, you have a terrible memory because Fulmer was that.

Looking at college basketball, Bobby Knight was fired from Indiana. You going to throw a hissy fit because you were proven wrong again?

And don't give me "that was different circumstances!" for Knight. You simply said "no HOF coach was ever fired".

 

[calban]

I have recently addressed everything that you have posted here. So this was a waste of my time to read. In fact I spoke of number 2 just today.

Waste your time? That's really funny.
Yet you said he hadn't fabricated evidence. Your explaining it away will be even less beneficial to Tyndall's defense.
Actually i believe this was one of the charges that was excused or not demonstrated as they put it.

so fabricating as I said made him look guilty even if he wasn't.

 

[buzz4tennessee]

If you're looking at every sport, you have a terrible memory because Fulmer was that.

Looking at college basketball, Bobby Knight was fired from Indiana. You going to throw a hissy fit because you were proven wrong again?

And don't give me "that was different circumstances!" for Knight. You simply said "no HOF coach was ever fired".

This is what I said: I don't know if there has ever been a member of the HOF who has EVER BEEN FIRED.

When it comes to Bobby Knight and Phil Fulmer, they both won an undefeated "National Championship" in their respective sports.

You need to practice your reading comprehension!

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

This is what I said: I don't know if there has ever been a member of the HOF who has EVER BEEN FIRED.

When it comes to Bobby Knight and Phil Fulmer, they both won an undefeated "National Championship" in their respective sports.

You need to practice your reading comprehension!

You were still shown to be wrong. Read that closely.

 

[buzz4tennessee]

Waste your time? That's really funny.
Yet you said he hadn't fabricated evidence. Your explaining it away will be even less beneficial to Tyndall's defense.
Actually i believe this was one of the charges that was excused or not demonstrated as they put it.

so fabricating as I said made him look guilty even if he wasn't.

Go back to page 79 of this thread and read post #1178 and you will see what I said about the CO and what could have happened concerning his report that he failed to do in 2012. Tyndall did make notes to verify a conversation between the two at that time.

 

[whobethis16]

This is what I said: I don't know if there has ever been a member of the HOF who has EVER BEEN FIRED.

When it comes to Bobby Knight and Phil Fulmer, they both won an undefeated "National Championship" in their respective sports.

You need to practice your reading comprehension!

They are both members of the HOF who were fired. Barnes is not in the HOF (yet, he may or may not ever get in) but both of those guys I mentioned were fired before being inducted. So I don't have the slightest clue what your point is. Tyndall sure as hell won't be in the HOF, Barnes still may.

Now, if you meant that they were inducted and still coaching and weren't fired, then say that. But what you said, in your words as written, is what I proved wrong. But way to predictably react like a 12 year old girl.

 

[whobethis16]

Go back to page 79 of this thread and read post #1178 and you will see what I said about the CO and what could have happened concerning his report that he failed to do in 2012. Tyndall did make notes to verify a conversation between the two at that time.

And the CO said that he never would have given the approval that Tyndall claims he had.