10 year show cause/NCAA, Tyndall discussion (merged)

[SeniorDrill]

Seems like I remember someone retiring. Maybe two someones retiring. Did I not just hear there were two huge Tennessee boosters helping DT start his Prep Academy because they thought he was wronged and felt terrible about it?. Think so. They know the truth and did something about it.

 

[calban]

Get this through your thick skull. He admitted to being responsible because he was the head coach. He admitted to nothing regarding academic fraud and the NCAA found nothing connecting him to academic fraud in their entire investigation. That is not a fireable offense.

Are your panties startin to bind there buddy?

 

[whobethis16]

Seems like I remember someone retiring. Maybe two someones retiring. Did I not just hear there were two huge Tennessee boosters helping DT start his Prep Academy because they thought he was wronged and felt terrible about it?. Think so. They know the truth and did something about it.

We don't know what the voices in your head keep saying to you.

 

[whobethis16]

Are your panties startin to bind there buddy?

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[buzz4tennessee]

Get this through your thick skull. He admitted to being responsible because he was the head coach. He admitted to nothing regarding academic fraud and the NCAA found nothing connecting him to academic fraud in their entire investigation. That is not a fireable offense.

It's sad that there are fans of The University of Tennessee who would rather believe a known liar named Adam Howard than to realize that a true professional named Donnie Tyndall would be willing to spend his retirement savings to prove what he is saying is the TRUTH!

These HATERS definitely have an alternate reason to hate the man. Hatred is a very negative emotion and karma will not be kind to those who bear that type of attitude!

Look at the type of recruits that our current coach has been able to bring in and compare them to our future opponents recruits. There is gonna be a lot of crying and wailing and gnashing of teeth over the next few years in our bb program and our baseball program will be regarded as something to brag about, even if their record stays the same as it has been for the past several years.

The University of Texas has been picked in one poll to be the 11th best team in America for the upcoming season. When were they last picked to be in the top 25 while Rick Barnes was the head coach. Thank you Dave Hart.:crazy:

 

[508mikey]

Get this through your thick skull. He admitted to being responsible because he was the head coach. He admitted to nothing regarding academic fraud and the NCAA found nothing connecting him to academic fraud in their entire investigation. That is not a fireable offense.

Its not huh ? Ask this guy

 

[SeniorDrill]

Interview with Donnie Tyndall :: Big Blue Insider
Kentucky making fun of us for getting rid of the one coach who could have brought us to their level.

 

[SeniorDrill]

Direct Comparison - 2 years recruiting - Barnes/Forbes

2016-17 Tennessee Men's Basketball Roster
8 freshmen, 5 sophomores, 1 junior, 2 seniors

No.
Name

11 Kyle Alexander
F 6-10 218 SO 1L Milton, Ontario, Canada/Orangeville Prep
0 Jordan Bone
G 6-1 173 FR HS Nashville, Tenn./The Ensworth School
23 Jordan Bowden
G 6-3 180 FR PS Knoxville, Tenn./Carter HS
24 Lucas Campbell
G 6-2 178 SO Sq. Knoxville, Tenn./Christian Academy of Knoxville
21 Lew Evans
F 6-7 235 RS SR Grad Salt Lake City, Utah//Utah State
4 Jacob Fleschman
G 6-1 160 FR HS Austin, Texas/Westlake HS
10 John Fulkerson
F 6-7 203 FR HS Kingsport, Tenn./The Christ School
3 Robert Hubbs III
G 6-5 207 SR 2L Newbern, Tenn./Dyer County HS
13 Jalen Johnson
F 6-5 177 FR HS Durham, N.C./Wesleyan Christian Academy
15 Detrick Mostella
G 6-1 179 JR 2L Decatur, Ala./La Lumiere School (Ind).
12 Kwe Parker
G 6-0 181 FR HS Fayetteville, N.C./Wesleyan Christian Academy
25 Shembari Phillips
G 6-3 192 SO 1L Atlanta, Ga./Wheeler HS
5 Admiral Schofield
F 6-4 238 SO 1L Zion, Ill./Zion-Benton Township HS
1 Lamonte Turner
G 6-0 187 RS FR Sq. Florence, Ala./IMG Academy
2 Grant Williams
F 6-5 234 FR HS Charlotte, N.C./Providence Day School
32 Brad Woodson
G 6-0 178 SO Sq. Murfreesboro, Tenn./Riverdale HS



ETSU 2016-17
1 freshman, 6 juniors, 6 seniors

Roster
NO. NAME
0 T.J. Cromer
G 6' 3" 195 Sr. Albany, Ga. (Columbia State CC)
1 Devontavius Payne
G 6' 2" 175 Jr. Carbondale, Ill. (John A. Logan College)
2 Julian Walters
G 5' 10" 175 Jr. Madison, Wis. (N.D. State College of Science)
3 David Burrell
F 6' 6" 200 Jr. Milwaukee (S.W. Tennessee CC)
4 Jason Williams
G 5'11" 185 Fr. Detroit (Detroit Allen Academy)
5 Peter Jurkin
C 7' 0" 245 Sr. Juba, South Sudan (Indiana)
10 Isaac Banks
F 6' 7" 235 Sr. New Orleans, La. (John Curtis HS)
11 Desonta Bradford
G 6' 4" 190 Jr. Humboldt (Humboldt HS)
12 Hanner Mosquera-Perea
F 6' 9" 230 Sr. Istmina, Colombia (Indiana)
13 A.J. Merriweather
G 6' 2" 205 Sr. Jackson (South Side HS)
14 Kanayo Obi-Rapu
G 6'3" 190 Jr. Greensboro, N.C. (Longwood)
24 Jermaine Long
G 6' 3" 175 Jr. New Orleans (Allen County CC)
40 Tevin Glass
F 6' 8" 220 Sr. Norcross, Ga. (Wichita State)

 

[whobethis16]

It's sad that there are fans of The University of Tennessee who would rather believe a known liar named Adam Howard than to realize that a true professional named Donnie Tyndall would be willing to spend his retirement savings to prove what he is saying is the TRUTH!

These HATERS definitely have an alternate reason to hate the man. Hatred is a very negative emotion and karma will not be kind to those who bear that type of attitude!

Look at the type of recruits that our current coach has been able to bring in and compare them to our future opponents recruits. There is gonna be a lot of crying and wailing and gnashing of teeth over the next few years in our bb program and our baseball program will be regarded as something to brag about, even if their record stays the same as it has been for the past several years.

The University of Texas has been picked in one poll to be the 11th best team in America for the upcoming season. When were they last picked to be in the top 25 while Rick Barnes was the head coach. Thank you Dave Hart.:crazy:

2014-15 says hello.

2014-15 college basketball top 25: An extremely early look at next season's top teams - SBNation.com

So, your disgust for Barnes has zero bearing on this topic.

 

[calban]

It's sad that there are fans of The University of Tennessee who would rather believe a known liar named Adam Howard than to realize that a true professional named Donnie Tyndall would be willing to spend his retirement savings to prove what he is saying is the TRUTH!

These HATERS definitely have an alternate reason to hate the man. Hatred is a very negative emotion and karma will not be kind to those who bear that type of attitude!

Look at the type of recruits that our current coach has been able to bring in and compare them to our future opponents recruits. There is gonna be a lot of crying and wailing and gnashing of teeth over the next few years in our bb program and our baseball program will be regarded as something to brag about, even if their record stays the same as it has been for the past several years.

The University of Texas has been picked in one poll to be the 11th best team in America for the upcoming season. When were they last picked to be in the top 25 while Rick Barnes was the head coach. Thank you Dave Hart.:crazy:

That's really rich buzz.
3 guys in the entire country think Adam Howard is a known liar and the rest think Donnie Tyndall is a lying Sleaze.
Though the evidence may be circumstantial, there is a ton of it that says Tyndall is guilty.
So you 3 boys just continue to call names and pout. It'll be over soon.

 

[FïreBall]

SD/Buzz only supports the man... Everyone else supports the program and UT

 

[VolsSportsFan]

There can be no doubt anymore that SeniorBuzz is trolling after that last post the Buzz portion made; that or SeniorBuzz really is Tyndall or related to him.

 

[buzz4tennessee]

2014-15 says hello.

2014-15 college basketball top 25: An extremely early look at next season's top teams - SBNation.com

So, your disgust for Barnes has zero bearing on this topic.

So, how did Texas do in 2014-15? They finished 8-10 in the Big 12, tied for 6th place, and 20-14 overall. Rick Barnes was then FIRED!

The NCAA's case against Tyndall sounds like they are a paper tiger, whereas Adam Howard is a KNOWN LIAR! They have built their proof about Donnie based on the testimony of a cheater, who lied twice to the NCAA, and then lied about his boss on a 3rd occasion when given immunity to do so. Now, instead of having a deserved 8 year show-cause for himself, he is gainfully employed as an assistant coach at Troy. Outside of that, where has the NCAA proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that CDT ever knew that academic fraud was taking place right under his nose? 40 other people involved in this case don't believe that he was involved!

Some people with deep pockets have confidence that Donnie is a reputable person with much to give to the youth of America. If they didn't, I doubt that they would be funding a prep academy so that the kids there could get a 2nd chance to realize their dream of one day being able to play college basketball!

 

[mcdoug]

Direct Comparison - 2 years recruiting - Barnes/Forbes

2016-17 Tennessee Men's Basketball Roster
8 freshmen, 5 sophomores, 1 junior, 2 seniors

No.
Name

11 Kyle Alexander
F 6-10 218 SO 1L Milton, Ontario, Canada/Orangeville Prep
0 Jordan Bone
G 6-1 173 FR HS Nashville, Tenn./The Ensworth School
23 Jordan Bowden
G 6-3 180 FR PS Knoxville, Tenn./Carter HS
24 Lucas Campbell
G 6-2 178 SO Sq. Knoxville, Tenn./Christian Academy of Knoxville
21 Lew Evans
F 6-7 235 RS SR Grad Salt Lake City, Utah//Utah State
4 Jacob Fleschman
G 6-1 160 FR HS Austin, Texas/Westlake HS
10 John Fulkerson
F 6-7 203 FR HS Kingsport, Tenn./The Christ School
3 Robert Hubbs III
G 6-5 207 SR 2L Newbern, Tenn./Dyer County HS
13 Jalen Johnson
F 6-5 177 FR HS Durham, N.C./Wesleyan Christian Academy
15 Detrick Mostella
G 6-1 179 JR 2L Decatur, Ala./La Lumiere School (Ind).
12 Kwe Parker
G 6-0 181 FR HS Fayetteville, N.C./Wesleyan Christian Academy
25 Shembari Phillips
G 6-3 192 SO 1L Atlanta, Ga./Wheeler HS
5 Admiral Schofield
F 6-4 238 SO 1L Zion, Ill./Zion-Benton Township HS
1 Lamonte Turner
G 6-0 187 RS FR Sq. Florence, Ala./IMG Academy
2 Grant Williams
F 6-5 234 FR HS Charlotte, N.C./Providence Day School
32 Brad Woodson
G 6-0 178 SO Sq. Murfreesboro, Tenn./Riverdale HS



ETSU 2016-17
1 freshman, 6 juniors, 6 seniors

Roster
NO. NAME
0 T.J. Cromer
G 6' 3" 195 Sr. Albany, Ga. (Columbia State CC)
1 Devontavius Payne
G 6' 2" 175 Jr. Carbondale, Ill. (John A. Logan College)
2 Julian Walters
G 5' 10" 175 Jr. Madison, Wis. (N.D. State College of Science)
3 David Burrell
F 6' 6" 200 Jr. Milwaukee (S.W. Tennessee CC)
4 Jason Williams
G 5'11" 185 Fr. Detroit (Detroit Allen Academy)
5 Peter Jurkin
C 7' 0" 245 Sr. Juba, South Sudan (Indiana)
10 Isaac Banks
F 6' 7" 235 Sr. New Orleans, La. (John Curtis HS)
11 Desonta Bradford
G 6' 4" 190 Jr. Humboldt (Humboldt HS)
12 Hanner Mosquera-Perea
F 6' 9" 230 Sr. Istmina, Colombia (Indiana)
13 A.J. Merriweather
G 6' 2" 205 Sr. Jackson (South Side HS)
14 Kanayo Obi-Rapu
G 6'3" 190 Jr. Greensboro, N.C. (Longwood)
24 Jermaine Long
G 6' 3" 175 Jr. New Orleans (Allen County CC)
40 Tevin Glass
F 6' 8" 220 Sr. Norcross, Ga. (Wichita State)

:question: Average player star rating per verbalcommits:

ETSU 2.333
UT 3.038

and for comparison:

VCU 2.972
Wichita 2.778
Gonzaga 3.141

SoCon 2.100
SEC 3.069

Circumstances favor the bucs this year, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them win, but talent favors the vols so they should be the better team down the road. As we all know, the vols still need to add some talent to be where we want them to be. :zeitung_lesen:

BTW, I don't mean to be offensive or disparaging to SoCon players or fans (I live in WNC, and I know SoCon teams play good bb), but every player has a ceiling, and the ceiling needs to be higher for the SEC. That's just the way it is.

 

[whobethis16]

So, how did Texas do in 2014-15? They finished 8-10 in the Big 12, tied for 6th place, and 20-14 overall. Rick Barnes was then FIRED!

The NCAA's case against Tyndall sounds like they are a paper tiger, whereas Adam Howard is a KNOWN LIAR! They have built their proof about Donnie based on the testimony of a cheater, who lied twice to the NCAA, and then lied about his boss on a 3rd occasion when given immunity to do so. Now, instead of having a deserved 8 year show-cause for himself, he is gainfully employed as an assistant coach at Troy. Outside of that, where has the NCAA proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that CDT ever knew that academic fraud was taking place right under his nose? 40 other people involved in this case don't believe that he was involved!

Some people with deep pockets have confidence that Donnie is a reputable person with much to give to the youth of America. If they didn't, I doubt that they would be funding a prep academy so that the kids there could get a 2nd chance to realize their dream of one day being able to play college basketball!

You said "picked to be..." meaning preseason. And he was picked that in his last year. Don't get mad at me when I prove you wrong based on your parameters. You, and your partner, act like teenage girls whenever you get proven wrong.

 

[SeniorDrill]

Don't think your comparison is valid since Forbes has mostly jucos and transfers and returning players. Don't even know how you came up with those numbers. One of Forbes' rs transfers was a 5* recruit at Indiana.

 

[SeniorDrill]

That's really rich buzz.
3 guys in the entire country think Adam Howard is a known liar and the rest think Donnie Tyndall is a lying Sleaze.
Though the evidence may be circumstantial, there is a ton of it that says Tyndall is guilty.
So you 3 boys just continue to call names and pout. It'll be over soon.

Buddy, I hate to say it but you are crazy. There is zero evidence circumstantial or otherwise that says DT knew anything. Rick Barnes knew more about the fraud that took place under his watch. Shall I prove that?

 

[FïreBall]

Buddy, I hate to say it but you are crazy. There is zero evidence circumstantial or otherwise that says DT knew anything. Rick Barnes knew more about the fraud that took place under his watch. Shall I prove that?

NCAA begs to differ..

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Buddy, I hate to say it but you are crazy. There is zero evidence circumstantial or otherwise that says DT knew anything. Rick Barnes knew more about the fraud that took place under his watch. Shall I prove that?

You can't prove anything. All you do is post loudly and be all narcissistic.

 

[edyeary]

SD, at any point are you going to be satisfied with an outcome on the Tyndall case or will you continue to tilt at windmills no matter the outcome?

 

[Ace]

:question: Average player star rating per verbalcommits:

ETSU 2.333
UT 3.038

and for comparison:

VCU 2.972
Wichita 2.778
Gonzaga 3.141

SoCon 2.100
SEC 3.069

Circumstances favor the bucs this year, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them win, but talent favors the vols so they should be the better team down the road. As we all know, the vols still need to add some talent to be where we want them to be. :zeitung_lesen:

BTW, I don't mean to be offensive or disparaging to SoCon players or fans (I live in WNC, and I know SoCon teams play good bb), but every player has a ceiling, and the ceiling needs to be higher for the SEC. That's just the way it is.

oh, get out of here with you and your facts!!! lol

BTW, Good post

 

[calban]

Buddy, I hate to say it but you are crazy. There is zero evidence circumstantial or otherwise that says DT knew anything. Rick Barnes knew more about the fraud that took place under his watch. Shall I prove that?

I won't argue with the crazy part, but you're blind to Tyndall's biggest blunder.

He did the same thing Pearl did. Lied, failed to cooperate at first and tried to cover his ass. He got a 3 year show cause for minor offenses.

Even if as you say Tyndall didn't know about the fraud, he has done many things that make it look like he is uncooperative, lying, destroying evidence and fabricating false evidence.
That's why he's being made an example of using circumstantial evidence against him.

 

[mcdoug]

Don't think your comparison is valid since Forbes has mostly jucos and transfers and returning players. Don't even know how you came up with those numbers. One of Forbes' rs transfers was a 5* recruit at Indiana.

I told you where I got the numbers, verbalcommits.com.

Of course you don't think they're valid, they don't fit your agenda. So what else is new?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

 

[mcdoug]

oh, get out of here with you and your facts!!! lol

BTW, Good post

Thanks. :hi:

 

[SeniorDrill]

I told you where I got the numbers, verbalcommits.com.

Of course you don't think they're valid, they don't fit your agenda. So what else is new?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Let's see the data if you have any. I made a living analyzing data so show me yours.