1000 Days Without a Budget

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volinbham said:
So when a D stretches the truth or misrepresents it is "doofusy". When an R does so it is 100% false and a blatant misrepresentation.

Got it.

You do realize what the Senate is doing is avoiding putting forth a budget and using a series of continuing resolutions to keep spending going right? You do realize this is not the intended budgeting process right?
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LG doesn't care. His precious democrats are being criticized by you, a mean ol' conservative, right-wing, racist bastage. That calls for the usual LG level of hyperbole and fatuous arguments.
 
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volinbham said:
So when a D stretches the truth or misrepresents it is "doofusy". When an R does so it is 100% false and a blatant misrepresentation.

Got it.

You do realize what the Senate is doing is avoiding putting forth a budget and using a series of continuing resolutions to keep spending going right? You do realize this is not the intended budgeting process right?
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"Intended?"
 

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MG1968 said:
LG doesn't care. His precious democrats are being criticized by you, a mean ol' conservative, right-wing, racist bastage. That calls for the usual LG level of hyperbole and fatuous arguments.
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No, I just don't appreciate Senators coming down to the floor on the day of the State of the Union speech to tell a lie in order to score some cheap points.

I'm tired of it.

You don't like social spending? Ok. You want lower taxes on the rich? Ok.

Advocate for that all you want but don't pretend.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, I just don't appreciate Senators coming down to the floor on the day of the State of the Union speech to tell a lie in order to score some cheap points.

I'm tired of it.

You don't like social spending? Ok. You want lower taxes on the rich? Ok.

Advocate for that all you want but don't pretend.
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It's not a lie anymore than Conrad's version of events.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, I just don't appreciate Senators coming down to the floor on the day of the State of the Union speech to tell a lie in order to score some cheap points.

I'm tired of it.

You don't like social spending? Ok. You want lower taxes on the rich? Ok.

Advocate for that all you want but don't pretend.
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what is so special about the SOTU? All Obama is going to use it for tonight is an ode to class warfare and how none of what's wrong now is his fault.

in other words, he's going to lie
 
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lawgator1 said:
"Intended?"
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Yes, the Senate and the House are required to put forth an annual (fiscal year) budget. The House has done so, the Senate has not.

As a result, we have to have continuing spending resolutions to keep the government going for less than annual time periods.

Why has the Senate not put forth an annual budget plan for the last 1000 days?
 
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volinbham said:
Yes, the Senate and the House are required to put forth an annual (fiscal year) budget. The House has done so, the Senate has not.

As a result, we have to have continuing spending resolutions to keep the government going for less than annual time periods.

Why has the Senate not put forth an annual budget plan for the last 1000 days?
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It has not escaped my attention that you are shifting the issue from passing a budget to the claim they haven't proposed one. I agree that they have not proposed one and that they should, if for no other reason than to contribute to the larger debate on these spending and taxation issues.

Had these GOP Senators taken the floor and made that point I'd concede that their criticism is correct and legitimate.

But claiming no budget has been passed is quite simply and categorically false.
 
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Here's a link to the budgeting process:

United States budget process - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A key part of the process:

The House and Senate Budget Committees begin consideration of the President's budget proposals in February and March. Other committees with budgetary responsibilities submit requests and estimates to the Budget committees during this time. The Budget committees each submit a budget resolution by April 1. The House and Senate each consider those budget resolutions and are expected to pass them, possibly with amendments, by April 15. Budget resolutions specify funding levels for appropriations committees and subcommittees.
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More detail

The President's budget request
Congressional consideration of the federal budget begins once the President of the United States submits a budget request, which is formulated over a period of months with the assistance of the Office of Management and Budget, the largest office within the Executive Office of the President. The budget request includes funding requests for all federal executive departments and independent agencies.
The President submits the budget request each year to Congress for the following fiscal year, as required by the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921. Current law (31 U.S.C. 1105(a))[4] requires the President to submit a budget no earlier than the first Monday in January, and no later than the first Monday in February. Typically, Presidents submit budgets on the first Monday in February.
The President's budget request constitutes an extensive proposal of the administration's intended spending and revenue plans for the following fiscal year. The budget proposal includes volumes of supporting information intended to persuade Congress of the necessity and value of the budget provisions. In addition, each federal executive department and independent agency provides additional detail and supporting documentation to Congress on its own funding requests.

Budget resolution

The next step is the drafting of a budget resolution. The United States House Committee on the Budget and the United States Senate Committee on the Budget are responsible for drafting budget resolutions. Following the traditional calendar, by early April both committees finalize their drafts and submit it to their respective floors for consideration and adoption.
A budget resolution, which is one form of a concurrent resolution, binds Congress, but is not a law, and so does not require the President's signature. The budget resolution serves as a blueprint for the actual appropriation process, and provides Congress with some control over the appropriations process. No new spending authority, however, is provided until appropriation bills are enacted.
Once both houses pass the resolution, selected Representatives and Senators negotiate a conference report to reconcile differences between the House and the Senate versions. The conference report, in order to become binding, must be approved by both the House and Senate.
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The Senate has not complied with this process. The House did not under Pelosi but has under Boehner.

Why is the Senate shirking this part of the process? What is the justification?
 
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lawgator1 said:
It has not escaped my attention that you are shifting the issue from passing a budget to the claim they haven't proposed one. I agree that they have not proposed one and that they should, if for no other reason than to contribute to the larger debate on these spending and taxation issues.

Had these GOP Senators taken the floor and made that point I'd concede that their criticism is correct and legitimate.

But claiming no budget has been passed is quite simply and categorically false.
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Oh for God's sake - they've shirked their role in proposing the budget.
 
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volinbham said:
Oh for God's sake - they've shirked their role in proposing the budget.
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You are changing the subject.

They have not proposed one and should. I agree. They can and should legitimately be criticized for that.

That is not what was claimed. That is not the headline in your "article." That is not the substance of the first page of this thread.

Now, why is that?

Could it possibly be that the point that the Senate has not proposed a budget been brought up a ton and that pointing that out yet again would not be treated as news? Could it be that the GOP is creating some false outrage on the day of the State of the Union by creating false headlines and lighting up the blogosphere with this incorrect statement?

I think its pretty obvious that this was a stunt, the truth be damned, because the truth on this point was already well known and out there. Had to come up with something else and this is it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You are changing the subject.

They have not proposed one and should. I agree. They can and should legitimately be criticized for that.

That is not what was claimed. That is not the headline in your "article." That is not the substance of the first page of this thread.

Now, why is that?

Could it possibly be that the point that the Senate has not proposed a budget been brought up a ton and that pointing that out yet again would not be treated as news? Could it be that the GOP is creating some false outrage on the day of the State of the Union by creating false headlines and lighting up the blogosphere with this incorrect statement?

I think its pretty obvious that this was a stunt, the truth be damned, because the truth on this point was already well known and out there. Had to come up with something else and this is it.
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My intent was to point out that the Senate has not put a budget forward as they are supposed to do.

That is it - that was my intended message. I think it is a major issue that should be criticized.

That is what I am criticizing them for.
 
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No, sorry. You cannot square this:

volinbham said:
My intent was to point out that the Senate has not put a budget forward as they are supposed to do.

That is it - that was my intended message. I think it is a major issue that should be criticized.

That is what I am criticizing them for.
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With this.


volinbham said:
Unbelievable. Simply Unbelievable.

1,000 Days Since the Democrat-Controlled Senate Has Passed a Budget | Sunshine State News
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volinbham said:
I've been Googling for articles. It's surprising that there are so few straight news stories about this given the Press' love for "milestone" stories. Hmmmm
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The truth is that the GOP has been pointing out that the Dems in the Senate have not proposed a budget for while now. Its been one of their talking points for at least the last 6 months or so, maybe longer.

So in order to try to get some buzz going, they changed the claim to being that none has been passed, which makes no sense and is simply not true.

Your original posts were about that and you are backtracking to the much earlier and correct point that the Senate has not proposed their own budget.

Because that is boring. And old news.
 
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LG is doing his best kicker33 imitation, when confronted with a fact, change the position of your goalposts
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, sorry. You cannot square this:




With this.










The truth is that the GOP has been pointing out that the Dems in the Senate have not proposed a budget for while now. Its been one of their talking points for at least the last 6 months or so, maybe longer.

So in order to try to get some buzz going, they changed the claim to being that none has been passed, which makes no sense and is simply not true.

Your original posts were about that and you are backtracking to the much earlier and correct point that the Senate has not proposed their own budget.

Because that is boring. And old news.
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Laughing at you mind reading.

I was and am well aware that several continuing resolutions (budget acts) have been passed.

My intent was squarely on the abdication of the Senate to put forward a budget proposal.

It is not boring, old news. What are the odds that they'll put a proposal together this year? I'd say pretty low.

If you want to avoid that issue by claiming my words were imprecise then have at it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
So in order to try to get some buzz going, they changed the claim to being that none has been passed, which makes no sense and is simply not true.
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The Senate has neither proposed nor passed a budget. You're trying to split hairs, and either way you're still wrong. Proposing and/or passing an endless number of budgetary items has not, does not, and will never equate to proposing and passing a fiscal year budget.
 
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volinbham said:
Laughing at you mind reading.

I was and am well aware that several continuing resolutions (budget acts) have been passed.

My intent was squarely on the abdication of the Senate to put forward a budget proposal.

It is not boring, old news. What are the odds that they'll put a proposal together this year? I'd say pretty low.

If you want to avoid that issue by claiming my words were imprecise then have at it.
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Not buying it.

Pretty obvious you fell for the blog "news."
 
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T-TownVol said:
When you can not dispute the facts, attack the source, brilliant.
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The fact is that the claim that the Senate has not passed a budget in 1000 days is a lie. They have.

They have not proposed their own, and I agree that they should.

But that was old news. So, on a day when it is clear that in one week Romney makes enough to be in the one percent, and on the day when Obama can effectively emphasize the disparity between the wealthy and the middle class, and how the GOP policy would make that disparity even greater, they resort to making a false claim to generate some criticism of the Democrats.

Not surprising. Its crap, but its expected at this point.
 
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When you are wrong, twist the wording to suit your point of view.........got cha.
 
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Maybe if LG repeats the same lie enough times, it will eventually be true. For instance, if the GOP takes over the Senate this year, he'll be right in 12 months or so. Kind of a stopped clock kind of thing.
 
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