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#26
Ernest T. Vol said:
Did you get concussed? I thank you may be bleedinorange out of the head. TN don't play KY twice this year. Pick out the dumb game they always loose and abracapocus...its a done deal.
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Reread your post and my post. You're saying we're gonna beat Kentucky, Missouri (each once) and Florida (twice)????

That's what you're saying?

And not lose to anyone we shouldn't?

And still miss the tournament?
 
#27
#27
calban said:
The VA game has become monumental.
Will we finish 7-5 in OOC play?
VA will be the most frustrating defense we play all season.
Every shot will be contested.
Stokes will be a non factor as he was last season.
Penetration will be denied.
Will our perimeter shooters find their stroke to loosen the defense?
Really can't see 13 wins in conference. of course that's based on how we're playing at present.
2 games to find the winning formula.
Can they do it?
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Would like to see us come out with Thompson, Barton, McRae, Richardson and Stokes. Run, run and run...it will frustrate Virginia and would get them out of rhythm on both ends.

Do not go into that game and try to play their style, very well could be another game in the 30s or 40s if our outside shots aren't falling.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Reread your post and my post. You're saying we're gonna beat Kentucky, Missouri (each once) and Florida (twice)????

That's what you're saying?

And not lose to anyone we shouldn't?

And still miss the tournament?
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NO...I'm sayin they need to win 4 of those 5, but wont. I'm sayin they cant lose a dumb game, but will.
 
#29
#29
bleedingTNorange said:
Would like to see us come out with Thompson, Barton, McRae, Richardson and Stokes. Run, run and run...it will frustrate Virginia and would get them out of rhythm on both ends.

Do not go into that game and try to play their style, very well could be another game in the 30s or 40s if our outside shots aren't falling.
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Agree. Need to get it working against Morehead.
Don't think Barton will thrive in half court slow down. Turn him loose. He'll find his rhythm.
 
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#30
Some of you obviously don't know how Cuonzo operates. He is not going to go to a running style, full-court type press. I don't even think he will go to a 4 guard offense which is probably our strength. IMO our best chance at success is to bench Barton for a while till he is healthy and use a running, 4- guard attack with a lot of pressure on the ball. Maymon and Stokes both can succeed in a fast break attack and McRae, Richardson, and thompson would absolutely become All-SEC caliber. JMO:whistling::whistling:
 
#31
#31
Ernest T. Vol said:
NO...I'm sayin they need to win 4 of those 5, but wont. I'm sayin they cant lose a dumb game, but will.
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Sorry from not getting that, from this..

Ernest T. Vol said:
I agree. I think they will have win 4 games against KY, Mizzou, and FL. Plus not lose stupidly to somebody like GA. I'm afraid the writing is on the wall in perm ink.
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#32
#32
calban said:
Agree. Need to get it working against Morehead.
Don't think Barton will thrive in half court slow down. Turn him loose. He'll find his rhythm.
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Agree. I also think Thompson has been better at PG than anyone really thought he would, he would thrive playing big minutes there allowing Barton to play some 2.
 
#33
#33
bleedingTNorange said:
1st off, I'll provide a link, our RPI as of 9:42am is 86 Live-RPI.com not 104 like you said.

2nd, as I posted above, if you don't understand the formula for RPI and what factors go into that number then you shouldn't post definitive things like your OP. Our RPI is expected to be 62 with a 18-12 record, 51 with a 19-11 record, 41 with a 20-10 record, 42 with a 21-9 record and 25 with a 22-8 record.

If we don't get to 20 wins we aren't even worthy of being in the discussion for a tournament spot anyways, regardless of our RPI. So, basically win and our RPI will be just fine :hi:
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That is my biggest fear....I think Zo is a mediocre coach with very mediocre recruiting.....if we squeeze into the tourney and stay borderline forever it will be like Devoe all over again. That was worse than the Houston yrs to me.
 
#35
#35
volbeast33 said:
That is my biggest fear....I think Zo is a mediocre coach with very mediocre recruiting.....if we squeeze into the tourney and stay borderline forever it will be like Devoe all over again. That was worse than the Houston yrs to me.
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I agree.
 
#36
#36
bleedingTNorange said:
Agree. I also think Thompson has been better at PG than anyone really thought he would, he would thrive playing big minutes there allowing Barton to play some 2.
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He has shown a lot of potential but we may be overstating how good he has been. He had 2 pts, 3 assists and 2 reb in 24 minutes of play against nc state.....granted he looks like an absolute stud next to Barton who had a stat line I had never seen before.... He had zero positive stats in over 20 minutes of action....he had zero points, rebounds, steals, and assists. That was pathetic
 
#37
#37
VolsSportsFan said:
You do realize Pearl was pretty much an "obscure mid major guy" don't you?
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Bruce Pearl wasn't so obscure when his Wisconsin-Milwaukee team knocked off a higher seed or two on their way to the Sweet Sixteen (something Cuonzo and his flunkies will never accomplish). That raised his profile significantly. Unlike Cuonzo, Bruce was quite a hot property when UT came calling.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Not surprising that a self-admitted casual hoops novice hadn't heard of him. He wasn't a complete unknown to those who follow college basketball closely. So, your ignorance isn't really proof of anything.

That said, no one would have confused him as a dynamite hire three years ago. This job was, and still is too big for him.
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Ignorance? It's a valid point. Cuonzo was a relative unknown to just about everyone---and unproven---when Tennessee hired him. The peak of his coaching career was the NIT bid he received during his last season at Missouri State.

Just saying, it's not ignorant to say he was unknown at the time.
 
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#39
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Freak said:
Ignorance? It's a valid point. Cuonzo was a relative unknown to just about everyone---and unproven---when Tennessee hired him. The peak of his coaching career was the NIT bid he received during his last season at Missouri State.

Just saying, it's not ignorant to say he was unknown at the time.
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Agreed.
 
#40
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cncchris33 said:
Not surprising that a self-admitted casual hoops novice hadn't heard of him. He wasn't a complete unknown to those who follow college basketball closely. So, your ignorance isn't really proof of anything.

That said, no one would have confused him as a dynamite hire three years ago. This job was, and still is too big for him.
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The people who don't follow it closely are the ones who got the curtain removed. The kind of people who are hard core enough to follow the careers of little known guys who haven't proven anything are too thin on the ground to raise the roof at TB. Without the bandwagoners who will only show up for a winner they've got nothing but an aftershow for the Lady Vols.
 
#41
#41
Folks. I'm not here to torment the serious hoops fans. The Pearl debate is just something y all will have to tolerate much like the recruitniks have to put up with mass hysteria over every decommitment until signing day.
 
#42
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Freak said:
Ignorance? It's a valid point. Cuonzo was a relative unknown to just about everyone---and unproven---when Tennessee hired him. The peak of his coaching career was the NIT bid he received during his last season at Missouri State.

Just saying, it's not ignorant to say he was unknown at the time.
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I'm not using the word "ignorance" in a derogatory sense. I was using it in it's literal sense, which is the absence of knowledge.

In other words, just because someone who admits they are a casual basketball follower, at best, hadn't heard of Cuonzo Martin (which makes them ignorant by definition), doesn't mean those who follow very closely didn't know who he was. As Calban also pointed out, we played Martin's Missouri State team the year Pearl was fired and Martin was hired.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The people who don't follow it closely are the ones who got the curtain removed. The kind of people who are hard core enough to follow the careers of little known guys who haven't proven anything are too thin on the ground to raise the roof at TB. Without the bandwagoners who will only show up for a winner they've got nothing but an aftershow for the Lady Vols.
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I don't disagree with this, but it doesn't lend much credence to your earlier opinion.
 
#44
#44
cncchris33 said:
I'm not using the word "ignorance" in a derogatory sense. I was using it in it's literal sense, which is the absence of knowledge.

In other words, just because someone who admits they are a casual basketball follower, at best, hadn't heard of Cuonzo Martin (which makes them ignorant by definition), doesn't mean those who follow very closely didn't know who he was. As Calban also pointed out, we played Martin's Missouri State team the year Pearl was fired and Martin was hired.
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Understand. My point is he wasn't a well-known coach by normal standards. He was a three year mid-major guy who never made the NCAA tournament. Most fans around the country knew very little about him. That's not to say some weren't familiar with his resume, but calling him an unknown is accurate IMO.
 
#45
#45
bleedingTNorange said:
1st off, I'll provide a link, our RPI as of 9:42am is 86 Live-RPI.com not 104 like you said.

2nd, as I posted above, if you don't understand the formula for RPI and what factors go into that number then you shouldn't post definitive things like your OP. Our RPI is expected to be 62 with a 18-12 record, 51 with a 19-11 record, 41 with a 20-10 record, 42 with a 21-9 record and 25 with a 22-8 record.

If we don't get to 20 wins we aren't even worthy of being in the discussion for a tournament spot anyways, regardless of our RPI. So, basically win and our RPI will be just fine :hi:
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BTO, how many different RPIs are there? It looks like realtimerpi.com has us at 94 today.
 
#46
#46
Freak said:
Ignorance? It's a valid point. Cuonzo was a relative unknown to just about everyone---and unproven---when Tennessee hired him. The peak of his coaching career was the NIT bid he received during his last season at Missouri State.

Just saying, it's not ignorant to say he was unknown at the time.
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I think most basketball fans at least recognized his name from his days at Purdue.
 
#48
#48
Freak said:
Understand. My point is he wasn't a well-known coach by normal standards. He was a three year mid-major guy who never made the NCAA tournament. Most fans around the country knew very little about him. That's not to say some weren't familiar with his resume, but calling him an unknown is accurate IMO.
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I'm not saying he was a household name, but for someone who admits to not following basketball to say he'd never heard of him isn't really proof of it, despite it being partially true. Someone who doesn't follow basketball closely wouldn't be familiar with a lot of names that pop up in a coaching search.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'm not saying he was a household name, but for someone who admits to not following basketball to say he'd never heard of him isn't really proof of it, despite it being partially true. Someone who doesn't follow basketball closely wouldn't be familiar with a lot of names that pop up in a coaching search.
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I understand your point, but is calling him an unknown a fair statement or not? I guess that's what i'm getting at.
 
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