'12 JUCO WR Cordarrelle Patterson (UT signee)

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jmoore_21 said:
People expecting 9-10 wins & a SECCG appearance in '12 are going to be really disappointed IMO, & the '13 schedule is BRUTAL!! Folks need to start realizing this is a complete rebuilding job in the mist of one of the greatest runs for a conference & it will only get tougher.

In todays world w/ sports message boards, recruiting sites, national media coverage I'm afraid Dooley wont get the time needed to rebuild this program the right way, some folks are already yelling for Dooley to be fired I cant imagine how many more will pop up in the next 2-3 years if were not in the SECCG.
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I disagree. I think a lot of people are underestimating Dooley as a coach, the coaching staff in general, and the impact some of our guys we've signed will have.

Time will tell.
 
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jmoore_21 said:
People expecting 9-10 wins & a SECCG appearance in '12 are going to be really disappointed IMO, & the '13 schedule is BRUTAL!! Folks need to start realizing this is a complete rebuilding job in the mist of one of the greatest runs for a conference & it will only get tougher.

In todays world w/ sports message boards, recruiting sites, national media coverage I'm afraid Dooley wont get the time needed to rebuild this program the right way, some folks are already yelling for Dooley to be fired I cant imagine how many more will pop up in the next 2-3 years if were not in the SECCG.
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The key is this class jmoore...if we pull the players I think we will then our 2012 roster will be almost 75% high 3* recruits and above with almost 50% being 4* and above...the 2 deep has the chance to be almost 75% 4 stars and above....and most of these players will have at least a year of experience under their belts...

It may be far fetched to expect a SECCG in 2012...but it is not far fetched at all to expect a return to being highly competitive in our division...the roster I mentioned above is more than talented and experienced enough to expect that...

The complete rebuiling job you speak of can be finished and move into a sustainment phase after this class if we're able to land the studs we shooting for...especially the ones in the front 7

The key lies in this years class
 
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jmoore_21 said:
Florida & UGA are going to be competitive almost year in & year out w/ the talent that is in each state, USCjr will continue to get better with Spurrier at the helm their recruiting has improved.

The East isnt like it use to be back in the 90's & early 00's when we basically only had to beat UF.
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UF and UGA will always be competitive, but no more than they have been the last ten years. In fact, UF won't come close to Meyer's run any time soon.

SC has lost at least five games every year Spurrier has been there. Six straight seasons of at least five losses.
 
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jmoore_21 said:
Florida & UGA are going to be competitive almost year in & year out w/ the talent that is in each state, USCjr will continue to get better with Spurrier at the helm their recruiting has improved.

The East isnt like it use to be back in the 90's & early 00's when we basically only had to beat UF.

Throw in the West w/ Arkansas improving, LSU & Bama loaded w/ talent year in year out, Auburn loading up (as long as the NCAA doesnt hammer them), & Miss State making noise w/ Mullen one could argue this is the most competitive the SEC has been in sometime & it will only improve IMO.
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I don't think things are nearly as bleak as the picture you're painting.

Florida and UGA have talent, but one coach is wasting it and who knows what the other is going to do, if anything. Talent doesn't guarantee wins, I think the early 2000 vols can be a shining example of that. Spurrier is also probably not going to be at USCe that much longer. Yes they're improving and Spurrier is a heck of a coach, but I highly doubt they will find a replacement as good as him.

The west is of less concern because aside from Alabama, UT rotates the schedules. Auburn will be mashed this year and could lose a lot of its recruiting foothold before the NCAA gets close to being done with them. Alabama will be good under Saban until he leaves but they haven't always made such great coaching hires with their previous choices.

LSU is going to be talent fed because it has no competition, where as FSU is stealing a lot of top talent from the gators, especially since they both run the same type of offense now.

MSU is not going to get all that much stronger unless their new DC is as incredible as the last. Their defense kept them in the majority of games they played in last year, that offense was garbage. I think Mullen will do a good job, but I don't think MSU becomes a powerhouse or even a strong team any time soon, just a dangerous one.

As for UT, we'll all have to wait and see. I think even if the record doesn't show it, there will be signs as soon as this upcoming season to let us know if Dooley is the guy. Hopefully the people footing the bill are more football savvy and patient than the majority of the fan base and can see the signs if they're there.
 
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thunder5 said:
The key is this class jmoore...if we pull the players I think we will then our 2012 roster will be almost 75% high 3* recruits and above with almost 50% being 4* and above...the 2 deep has the chance to be almost 75% 4 stars and above....and most of these players will have at least a year of experience under their belts...

It may be far fetched to expect a SECCG in 2012...but it is not far fetched at all to expect a return to being highly competitive in our division...the roster I mentioned above is more than talented and experienced enough to expect that...

The complete rebuiling job you speak of can be finished and move into a sustainment phase after this class if we're able to land the studs we shooting for...especially the ones in the front 7

The key lies in this years class
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I agree, I could almost argue that this is Dooleys make or break class. Our offense has the talent right now to compete w/ anyone in the SEC all they lack is experience & in 2012 they will have 2 full years of SEC play. It's our defense that is behind. Our secondary will be our strength for the defense for the next 2 seasons. Dooley HAS to land studs in the front 7 especially at LB & DT.
 
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chavisut said:
UF and UGA will always be competitive, but no more than they have been the last ten years. In fact, UF won't come close to Meyer's run any time soon.

SC has lost at least five games every year Spurrier has been there. Six straight seasons of at least five losses.
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UGA/UF will always be the teams we have to beat to win the East. They will always have the talent its just a matter of do they have a coach that can utilize that talent.

Your right about SC, but you cant tell me that right now they dont have more talent than they have problem had in their history & it will only get better IMO.
 
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jmoore_21 said:
UGA/UF will always be the teams we have to beat to win the East. They will always have the talent its just a matter of do they have a coach that can utilize that talent.

Your right about SC, but you cant tell me that right now they dont have more talent than they have problem had in their history & it will only get better IMO.
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So what about UGA and UF is going to make the SEC tougher?

SC isn't as loaded as they're made out to be. Take away Lattimore and that team is in trouble.
 
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chavisut said:
So what about UGA and UF is going to make the SEC tougher?

SC isn't as loaded as they're made out to be. Take away Lattimore and that team is in trouble.
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I'm not saying UF/UGA will make the SEC tougher, I'm say the competition is tougher than it was 10 years ago w/ programs like USCjr, Miss State, Arkansas having talent & good coaches now. , & Auburn

Maybe it's a product of Tennessee & UGA being down right now that makes them more competitive.
 
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jmoore_21 said:
I'm not saying UF/UGA will make the SEC tougher, I'm say the competition is tougher than it was 10 years ago w/ programs like USCjr, Miss State, Arkansas having talent & good coaches now. , & Auburn

Maybe it's a product of Tennessee & UGA being down right now that makes them more competitive.
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I remember a lot of those teams AU, UGA, UF, UA, LSU, and AK being competitive 10 year ago. Arky was pretty tough back in '90s and mid '00s when they had McFadden and Jones. The one I see rising the most is Miss State. UT just needs to get back to the competitive level it used to be and things will be much more balanced.
 
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Once the rosters are relatively equal in talent with the difference being 3rd string players.... then it comes down to coaching. Many wail and moan over being 6th in the conference while being 12th nationally. What they fail to realize is that is a sign of growing talent parity in the SEC... and not those supposed "middling" teams falling way behind. The recruiting svcs aren't nearly accurate enough to accurately reflect a talent difference between a team that avg's 10th and one that avg's 5th. The difference if there is any will be marginally on depth.
 
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sjt18 said:
Once the rosters are relatively equal in talent with the difference being 3rd string players.... then it comes down to coaching. Many wail and moan over being 6th in the conference while being 12th nationally. What they fail to realize is that is a sign of growing talent parity in the SEC... and not those supposed "middling" teams falling way behind. The recruiting svcs aren't nearly accurate enough to accurately reflect a talent difference between a team that avg's 10th and one that avg's 5th. The difference if there is any will be marginally on depth.
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this
 
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Well, we are 13 years removed from an SEC Championship and in a questionable state of getting better. We have to win one in Dooley's first four years or resign ourselves to the fact that this program has seen it's better days. If the fan base accepts less than 10 wins in 2012 then I think there is a real danger of this program being similar to Ole Miss for many years to come.

Part of this is why I thought that Fulmer should have been fired after 2005. It just looked like we were willing to accept mediocrity when the rest of the conference was making great coaching hires and winning championships.
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onevol74 said:
Well, we are 13 years removed from an SEC Championship and in a questionable state of getting better. We have to win one in Dooley's first four years or resign ourselves to the fact that this program has seen it's better days. If the fan base accepts less than 10 wins in 2012 then I think there is a real danger of this program being similar to Ole Miss for many years to come.

Part of this is why I thought that Fulmer should have been fired after 2005. It just looked like we were willing to accept mediocrity when the rest of the conference was making great coaching hires and winning championships.
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You all expecting 10 wins in 2012 are going to be dissapointed. 8-9 is likely. I just don't see what all of you see.
 
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RockyTop411 said:
You all expecting 10 wins in 2012 are going to be dissapointed. 8-9 is likely. I just don't see what all of you see.
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Yeah I'm pretty sure Auburn fans didn't see anything either. Or Alabama when they won it all. I see a lot of young talent that will have a lot of experience.
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Anything less than 9 wins in '12 will be a major disappointment barring unforseen circumstances... I understand it takes time to rebuild, but some of you are setting expectations way to low.
 
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onevol74 said:
This what is wrong with our recruiting. Low fan expectations. Come to Tennessee and win 8 games a year.
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We can wish and hope like "heck" all we want for our team to win 8 games but only players and coaches can make it happen.
 
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onevol74 said:
This what is wrong with our recruiting. Low fan expectations. Come to Tennessee and win 8 games a year.
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I don't think for a second that Dooley recruits players with that expectation and purpose. Last year, the team was seriously depleted, and no amount of coaching or cheering could overcome that reality. This year, the players form up much better. Odds are they won't win every game, but I believe that they'll go into every game fixed to fight and win. We know that SEC zebras make upsets difficult. I'm expecting the Vols to get some.
 
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volnpowell said:
Article on tos (IT) anyone care to summarize?:hi:
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Says that Tennessee is recruiting him very hard, the staff has been on him since day one. Hinshaw is his lead recruiter, Worley isn't pressuring him to come here. Said Tennessee, Auburn, Oklahoma State, & Ole Miss are recruiting him the hardest & Tennessee is very high on his list, he is thinking about announcing before his season starts to get it over w/.
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jmoore_21 said:
Says that Tennessee is recruiting him very hard, the staff has been on him since day one. Hinshaw is his lead recruiter, Worley isn't pressuring him to come here. Said Tennessee, Auburn, Oklahoma State, & Ole Miss are recruiting him the hardest & Tennessee is very high on his list, he is thinking about announcing before his season starts to get it over w/.
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Sounds promising. I like hearing our staff is working hard here.
 
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