12 Personnel with Bru and Thornton…

#26
#26
Our WR group is the biggest disappointment of the season for me. Not a playmaker to be found in the group. JMO.
 
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Agree. I thought the WR group would be a strength. Turns out it is a weakness. I have heard Kevin Simon say, from the perspective of a talent scout, that he thought only adding Brazzell via the portal was a mistake . . . Because talent wise they didn’t have any studs at that position going into the season.

Matthews may end up being a stud - but not this year. Bru is playing hurt and is a possession type WR. White is hurt . . . And has struggled with drops. Thornton and Brazzell are not consistent. Nimrod actually caught the ball well last night . . . But dropped a TD he has to catch. He dropped a similar pass late against Florida.

Bottom line - in SEC games . . . More often than not the games are decided by 5-6 key plays. It’s not that our WRs NEVER make those plays . . . But more often than not they drop big play chances. And you can’t do that and perform at a championship level. They got by with it against UK . . . Because UK was beat up and is average compared to UGA (though they almost beat UGA!). But, dropped passes, dumb pre-snap penalties during road games, missed run “fits” like we saw last night = probable UGLY loss to UGA.
 
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thunder5 said:
IMO…this should be our base set on offense for the rest of the year and we should be in it 67% of the time (or more if needed)…

Kittselman and Bru have the most dependable hands on the team (and they do everything else really well too)…Ethan Davis is pretty much a big WR anyway that could split out to the slot in some situations…Staes and Thornton have been more than serviceable in their playing time…no other WR has proven they can be relied on when it matters…WR drops have been a consistent killer to this offense and we’re lucky they haven’t cost us more so far…

This set emphasizes our clear strength (run game) and still gives us plenty of ways to be dynamic in the passing game…I don’t think it’s any coincidence that the last time we looked good on O was two games (NC St and OU) where we led with this set…

JMO…OMO…GBO…VFL…WGWTFA!!
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Not a bad suggestion.
Plus it would help with bass blocking on the edge.

We have the TE talent to do it and Bru and Thornton can make plays. Need to add White and Matthews in the slot as well.
Agreed. More TEs and less 4 wide.
 
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The_topis_Rocky89 said:
Go back and watch the game and you will see Brazzel dropped 2 previous throws that were dimes. Granted he caught the TD that gave us the lead but that doesn’t negate the drops he had
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It negates it a little bit. I mean, we won the game.

I agree he's had too many drops. Spilt milk though
 
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Hyatt had plenty of drops to go with all his TDs. Thornton hasn't been healthy and 100% for a couple of weeks. He is a solid WR when healthy. If he was 100% that pass to Nimrod would have been a TD for him. He needs more targets when he gets 100% healthy.
 
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Go47 said:
Agree. I thought the WR group would be a strength. Turns out it is a weakness. I have heard Kevin Simon say, from the perspective of a talent scout, that he thought only adding Brazzell via the portal was a mistake . . . Because talent wise they didn’t have any studs at that position going into the season.

Matthews may end up being a stud - but not this year. Bru is playing hurt and is a possession type WR. White is hurt . . . And has struggled with drops. Thornton and Brazzell are not consistent. Nimrod actually caught the ball well last night . . . But dropped a TD he has to catch. He dropped a similar pass late against Florida.

Bottom line - in SEC games . . . More often than not the games are decided by 5-6 key plays. It’s not that our WRs NEVER make those plays . . . But more often than not they drop big play chances. And you can’t do that and perform at a championship level. They got by with it against UK . . . Because UK was beat up and is average compared to UGA (though they almost beat UGA!). But, dropped passes, dumb pre-snap penalties during road games, missed run “fits” like we saw last night = probable UGLY loss to UGA.
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The slot position is what make this offense so dangerous. Look at 21 & 22, we had Velus Jones and the Biletnikoff winner Hyatt. Both of those guys were vertical threats that could take the top off the defense or get YACs for big gainers. We haven’t had that the past 2 years. Defenses have adjusted to us and are trying to take away the deep ball and forcing into a ball control game, but we’re not making plays underneath. Nimrod has to make that catch going forward if we’re going to do anything special . Brazzell has to make that catch more consistently. If Squirrel can’t go, Squirrel can’t go. He’s not big enough to go out there and 1 hand a ball. I admire his toughness, but is he really helping us if he can’t make a play downfield w/o his arming hanging? Bru is fighting like hell each week, but he’s banged up. I think this week is key to getting guys that HAVE to play game reps. Nimrod, Matthews have to see more valuable time so the game slows down and they can be trusted in big moments. If I’m the coaches why not consider getting Sampson more involved in the pass game? Have a package where you Put Bishop, Seldon or Lewis in the backfield with Sampson and then put 6 in motion out of the backfield. If the slot position is going to continue to be one that doesn’t produce much, it wouldn’t hurt to get a little more diverse in our personnel groups. Just my opinion.
 
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There is a wrinkle to the offense coming soon. Something we have not seen yet. Should be interesting.
 
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I agree, getting Sampson more involved as a pass catcher would be a plus. I’d like to see #6 run a wheel route or two every game.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Luckily Heupel has White above him who will tell those “people” to STFU nicely.
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It should never require White stating STFU. Reason: There is more than enough fans that know better and will do it before it gets out of this forum.

Volnation is filled with drama questions and/or statements. The drama queens, doubting Thomas', whiners, and impatience. Some of the Comments on this board makes a person wonder if the record is 4-3 vs what it is 7-1.
I doubted that CJH could make an impact here and he proves me wrong everyday. He wants to be here and I want him to stay.
 
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thunder5 said:
IMO…this should be our base set on offense for the rest of the year and we should be in it 67% of the time (or more if needed)…

Kittselman and Bru have the most dependable hands on the team (and they do everything else really well too)…Ethan Davis is pretty much a big WR anyway that could split out to the slot in some situations…Staes and Thornton have been more than serviceable in their playing time…no other WR has proven they can be relied on when it matters…WR drops have been a consistent killer to this offense and we’re lucky they haven’t cost us more so far…

This set emphasizes our clear strength (run game) and still gives us plenty of ways to be dynamic in the passing game…I don’t think it’s any coincidence that the last time we looked good on O was two games (NC St and OU) where we led with this set…

JMO…OMO…GBO…VFL…WGWTFA!!
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I approve.
 
#48
#48
I like the 12 personnel but hasn't most of our big run plays come out of a formation where we stretch the defense horizontally from sideline to sideline?
 
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Jackcrevol said:
Seeing this offense run wide open, is a thing of beauty. Granted was against FAU. USF is able to run it, up tempo. Get to line fast, and get run game going. We run tempo last night, and we score two more times at least.

Kentucky didnt belong on same field as us.
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Kentucky whether intentional or not seemed like they had a injured player every time we really got going. But I agree especially in the first half we had too many false starts and also a few holds though one called on us was highly questionable even announcers commented. Conversely, we got held terribly a few times in the first half without a call. But I noticed they started calling them holds by Kentucky in the second half. They were having serious trouble dealing with our rush. I saw Pearce get held 2-3 times early as well as Lott and Thomas got held good one time each. GBO
 
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