'13 TN DE Jason Carr (UT signee)

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Nashvegas31 said:
Assume he mean fans because he has no knowledge around what goes on inside Dooley circle or recruits and the offer conditions. He always tried to act like an insider on vq and failed miserably
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Just for the record, I have never "acted like" or claimed to be an "insider". The opposite is true -- I have often made it clear that I am not insider both here and on VQ.

I would appreciate it if you ceased posting lies about me -- I dislike liars just as much as I dislike hypocrites.

mlsoft
 
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mlsoft said:
Just for the record, I have never "acted like" or claimed to be an "insider". The opposite is true -- I have often made it clear that I am not insider both here and on VQ.

I would appreciate it if you ceased posting lies about me -- I dislike liars just as much as I dislike hypocrites.

mlsoft
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I'll second this. You just make definitive states instead of hedging with "IMO" or qualifying with "I think..."
 
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mlsoft said:
Not specifically "pissed" about any one player, it is the principle of the thing. I believe that being a man of your word is a very important character trait -- a man of honor should do certain things just because they are the right and honorable thing to do just as there are things he should refrain from doing just because they are wrong. I suspect that our VFL program teaches our team about being a man of your word, but they are learning the opposite from the HC.

Dooley has already experienced negative backlash for this practice and schools (and media) have used it as part of their negative recruiting against us. I believe it will continue to bite us in the rear in the future until Dooley learns to manage his recruiting better and stops doing it.

It is particularly galling to see so many here denigrate any recruit of ours that waffles on his commitment, yet cheer Dooley on when he dumps a committed recruit to take one he likes better -- that is rank hypocrisy at its best.

mlsoft
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Mlsoft, you seem like good people, but maybe college football recruiting is not for you. It is pretty ruthless regardless of how ethical a coach is otherwise and the same practices you despise are certainly found at every single program. It may be best to tune in on signing day and save yourself the arguments
 
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jave36 said:
I'm pretty sure every accepted commit comes with conditions and expectations. No coach is going to hold a commitment from someone who doesn't continue to perform and maintain physically and academically.
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Same can be said for the school that a player has committed to, right? If its good for one its good for the other. So everyone needs to stop *****ing.
 
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mlsoft said:
And if Dooley is a man of his word, when he has accepted a commitment from a recruit, he will not tell him to "look around" just because he has found another recruit he likes better. As it is, we are in no position to complain at all when a recruit changes his mind.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

mlsoft
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I believe in most of the cases, Dooley explained to them if they didn't progress they would be recruited over and dropped. That's pretty much keeping your word. If a coach shows faith in you that you will get better, you should try your hardest to do that. If not, you will be replaced and you already know that.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Mlsoft, you seem like good people, but maybe college football recruiting is not for you. It is pretty ruthless regardless of how ethical a coach is otherwise and the same practices you despise are certainly found at every single program. It may be best to tune in on signing day and save yourself the arguments
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He doesnt realize that every school drops kids an it's not a big deal. Keithon didn't qualify and Khalid did not progress like he was asked
 
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mlsoft said:
Not specifically "pissed" about any one player, it is the principle of the thing. I believe that being a man of your word is a very important character trait -- a man of honor should do certain things just because they are the right and honorable thing to do just as there are things he should refrain from doing just because they are wrong. I suspect that our VFL program teaches our team about being a man of your word, but they are learning the opposite from the HC.

Dooley has already experienced negative backlash for this practice and schools (and media) have used it as part of their negative recruiting against us. I believe it will continue to bite us in the rear in the future until Dooley learns to manage his recruiting better and stops doing it.

It is particularly galling to see so many here denigrate any recruit of ours that waffles on his commitment, yet cheer Dooley on when he dumps a committed recruit to take one he likes better -- that is rank hypocrisy at its best.

mlsoft
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:moon2::cray:

Wahhhhhhh!!!:cray: Lets' find another reason to hate Dooley. Cmon, you can do better than this.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
He doesnt realize that every school drops kids an it's not a big deal. Keithon didn't qualify and Khalid did not progress like he was asked
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What about Imani Cross? The first commit of that class I believe.

Anyway, what I am saying it goes both ways and the reasons don't really matter. Schools drop kids and kids drop schools. But for some reason it's ok if it's the school that does it and the reasons are credible, but if an 18 yr old kids drops decommits, he is an immature jack ass. That was MY point.
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
Same can be said for the school that a player has committed to, right? If its good for one its good for the other. So everyone needs to stop *****ing.
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Ya, mlsoft and others get caught up in the media's version of the story. They think a commitment is like a marriage, never to be broken. Just like if we accept a commitment from a WR and then tell him we want him to be a TE or DB, he would not be out of line to drop his commitment. In the same way, if a kid commits and then doesn't maintain academic or physical requirements (Henderson), there is nothing wrong with a school dropping them.

There are PLENTY of schools who just drop kids on a whim even if the kids hold up their end of the bargain, and they don't give the kids any notice to look around either. THAT is shady, although still not that bad, as this is a BUSINESS and REAL LIFE. I can understand that being used negatively against a program though.
 
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jave36 said:
Ya, mlsoft and others get caught up in the media's version of the story. They think a commitment is like a marriage, never to be broken. Just like if we accept a commitment from a WR and then tell him we want him to be a TE or DB, he would not be out of line to drop his commitment. In the same way, if a kid commits and then doesn't maintain academic or physical requirements (Henderson), there is nothing wrong with a school dropping them.

There are PLENTY of schools who just drop kids on a whim even if the kids hold up their end of the bargain, and they don't give the kids any notice to look around either. THAT is shady, although still not that bad, as this is a BUSINESS and REAL LIFE. I can understand that being used negatively against a program though.
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What was their excuse about Cross? Why was he dropped? I'd like to hear that.
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
What was their excuse about Cross? Why was he dropped? I'd like to hear that.
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Lol, you think you're entitled to the rationale behind every single decision the coaches make? You just assume they got tired of him for no reason and dropped him? There isn't possibly a reason that you and I don't know about that would make dropping him legit?

There are a million different reasons that COULD be true, but the point is, if you want to be a successful SEC team, you will sometimes have to recruit over some kids, especially if they don't maintain or improve in areas that need it.
 
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jave36 said:
Lol, you think you're entitled to the rationale behind every single decision the coaches make? You just assume they got tired of him for no reason and dropped him? There isn't possibly a reason that you and I don't know about that would make dropping him legit?

There are a million different reasons that COULD be true, but the point is, if you want to be a successful SEC team, you will sometimes have to recruit over some kids, especially if they don't maintain or improve in areas that need it.
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Your missing my point. We're on the same page, I think. I do not disagree with a school or kid being dropped. But what I am saying, it's got to go both ways. I know it's not gonna happen, but the same people on here saying this kid is immature and whatever else for looking around, are the same people who thinks it's OK for us to drop a kid. I don't care much, either a kid sticks or he doesn't. Either a school sticks or they don't. Sure I would like to get some kids more than others, but I am not gonna ***** because a kid is looking around.
 
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Officially, Cross decommited. Seemed like an amicable situation when it occured. He went to Nebraska, we got Bourque. Win/Win.
 
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He went to Nebraska, where our recruiting coordinator ended up. Very awkward I can only imagine.
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nicksjuzunk said:
Mlsoft, you seem like good people, but maybe college football recruiting is not for you. It is pretty ruthless regardless of how ethical a coach is otherwise and the same practices you despise are certainly found at every single program. It may be best to tune in on signing day and save yourself the arguments
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I have followed UT recruiting for many years, long before it was as popular as it is now. And believe it when I say that I am not naive about some of the things that go on.

But for those who think that recruiting over committed kids is something that "everybody does", I've got news for you -- they don't. Sure, a number of top coaches do, but there are plenty that do not. I just personally find the practice dishonorable.

mlsoft
 
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mlsoft said:
I have followed UT recruiting for many years, long before it was as popular as it is now. And believe it when I say that I am not naive about some of the things that go on.

But for those who think that recruiting over committed kids is something that "everybody does", I've got news for you -- they don't. Sure, a number of top coaches do, but there are plenty that do not. I just personally find the practice dishonorable.

mlsoft
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I also dislike the practice however each of us are assumptive in saying this does or does not take place everywhere. I continue to assume that it does
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
I also dislike the practice however each of us are assumptive in saying this does or does not take place everywhere. I continue to assume that it does
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Again, you all assume that when coaches take a commitment, it's unconditional. You have no idea what coaches say to kids when they commit. You just jump straight to "it must be dishonorable if the coaches drop a commitment."
 
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jave36 said:
Again, you all assume that when coaches take a commitment, it's unconditional. You have no idea what coaches say to kids when they commit. You just jump straight to "it must be dishonorable if the coaches drop a commitment."
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agreee
 
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