15 Numbers: November Edition

#176
#176
MemphisCanes said:
I think what he's saying is he'd rather a 60% foul shooter not get fouled at all, which is ridiculous. Anyone else drawing shooting fouls during a game other than Darius Thompson (because he shoots the highest %) is not a positive thing for the offense.

It's really the dumbest thing I've heard in a long, long time.
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You continue to be clueless. Maybe that's why the simplest analysis goes over your head.
You just stated that maymon is more efficient than Louisville. That sums up your understanding of the game outside of a statbook.
 
#177
#177
Spartacavolus said:
My logic? Wrong.
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Your logic keeps saying that the only importanr stat is free throw percentage. So obviously you'd prefer Quinn's 100% to Maymon's 65%, despite that Maymon shoots 10x more free throws than Quinn. Even if Maymon shoots 14 foul shots, I'll take his 9 points from those 14 than his 5 for 5.
 
#178
#178
Spartacavolus said:
You continue to be clueless. Maybe that's why the simplest analysis goes over your head.
You just stated that maymon is more efficient than Louisville. That sums up your understanding of the game outside of a statbook.
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Maymon shooting foul shots at 60% is an efficiency of 1.200 every possession. Louisville, who currently leads the nation in offensive efficiency, has a rating of 1.187.

Can you really not tell which number is higher? I mean, this is simply arithmetic at this point.

Throw in that Maymon is now about 65% from the line, or 1.3 pts per 1 possession, you want him shooting as many FTs as possible per game, along with anyone else on the team who shoots better than 60% or so.

You learn this type of stuff in highschool, I can't believe I'm having to explain it to a grown ass man.
 
#179
#179
whobethis16 said:
your logic keeps saying that the only importanr stat is free throw percentage. So obviously you'd prefer quinn's 100% to maymon's 65%, despite that maymon shoots 10x more free throws than quinn. Even if maymon shoots 14 foul shots, i'll take his 9 points from those 14 than his 5 for 5.
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this guy gets it. ^^^^^
 
#180
#180
whobethis16 said:
Your logic keeps saying that the only importanr stat is free throw percentage. So obviously you'd prefer Quinn's 100% to Maymon's 65%, despite that Maymon shoots 10x more free throws than Quinn. Even if Maymon shoots 14 foul shots, I'll take his 9 points from those 14 than his 5 for 5.
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Straight out of mc's page to talk about a player that doesn't play to try and make a point that you don't understand in the first place.
 
#181
#181
MemphisCanes said:
Maymon shooting foul shots at 60% is an efficiency of 1.200 every possession. Louisville, who currently leads the nation in offensive efficiency, has a rating of 1.187.

Can you really not tell which number is higher? I mean, this is simply arithmetic at this point.

Throw in that Maymon is now about 65% from the line, or 1.3 pts per 1 possession, you want him shooting as many FTs as possible per game, along with anyone else on the team who shoots better than 60% or so.

You learn this type of stuff in highschool, I can't believe I'm having to explain it to a grown ass man.
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What a ****ing clown.
 
#184
#184
What idiot sees maymon play and calls his offense efficient? He's about to be benched for a true freshman for such great efficiency if he doesn't pick it up.
 
#186
#186
Spartacavolus said:
What idiot sees maymon play and calls his offense efficient? He's about to be benched for a true freshman for such great efficiency if he doesn't pick it up.
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We're simply talking about his FT rate and whether it's a bad thing, like you claimed.

Stop trying to create straw men change the discussion. Instead, just admit that you didn't understand the stat that was being discussed when you opened your mouth and made yourself look dumb.
 
#187
#187
Spartacavolus said:
What idiot sees maymon play and calls his offense efficient? He's about to be benched for a true freshman for such great efficiency if he doesn't pick it up.
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If that happens it should be for his defensive effort too. IMO

Had at least 3 chances to take a charge or contest a shot Saturday and chose to watch. I really hate it for him, cause he used to consistantly be all over the court. And now it seems like his mind sees the play he should make, but his body jsut wont let him make it. JMO

The earlier thread of "I feel sorry for Stokes" should have been made for Maymon. I really do feel bad for the kid.
 
#188
#188
Spartacavolus said:
Never even have gone down that road or said anything of the sort. Feel free to go tourrettes and blurt out whatever.
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If Maymon is able to get to the line 7 times and take 14 free throws, I'll gladly take the 9 points out of him. 65% be damned, that's 9 points out of it. Would I rather he hit 11, absolutely, but he won't. So I want him to get the points where he can. You keep saying he sucks with that, but if he's scoring 9-10 points from the line, is it really that bad of a thing from him? Hell no.
 
#189
#189
whobethis16 said:
If Maymon is able to get to the line 7 times and take 14 free throws, I'll gladly take the 9 points out of him. 65% be damned, that's 9 points out of it. Would I rather he hit 11, absolutely, but he won't. So I want him to get the points where he can. You keep saying he sucks with that, but if he's scoring 9-10 points from the line, is it really that bad of a thing from him? Hell no.
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It's strictly better than him not getting fouled and getting to the line.
 
#190
#190
whobethis16 said:
And by your logic, you want Quinn Cannington at the foul line, not Lofton because Quinn hit 4 of 4, therefore 100% for his career.
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And to rehash, by both of your stances, a great ft rate is awesome, even if the player never makes a single ft. Pure brilliance by statboys.
 
#193
#193
MemphisCanes said:
We're simply talking about his FT rate and whether it's a bad thing, like you claimed.

Stop trying to create straw men change the discussion. Instead, just admit that you didn't understand the stat that was being discussed when you opened your mouth and made yourself look dumb.
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Gotcha. Ft rate is great. Even if the guy misses every one. Maybe you can go coach, find a guy that gets fouled all the time but can't shoot, and actually go scoreless in a game. Good thing is that you are getting the ball to a guy who gets fouled a lot, so you will have your great ft rate to talk about.

I understand now.
 
#195
#195
Lefteye said:
If that happens it should be for his defensive effort too. IMO

Had at least 3 chances to take a charge or contest a shot Saturday and chose to watch. I really hate it for him, cause he used to consistantly be all over the court. And now it seems like his mind sees the play he should make, but his body jsut wont let him make it. JMO

The earlier thread of "I feel sorry for Stokes" should have been made for Maymon. I really do feel bad for the kid.
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He has had poor effort on d and boxing out has been weak.
People have no idea how hard it can be after what he has been thru, mentally and physically. He's had a tough road.
Still doesn't mean he is an efficient offensive player right now. That's gotta be a joke.
 
#196
#196
MemphisCanes said:
Oh the floundering continues. So now Maymon isn't shooting 60%, he's shooting 0%. When in doubt, simply make up numbers.
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The basis of the debate is that you say a high ft rate is ALWAYS a positive. My stance that it depends on if the player makes or misses hasn't changed. You even used Cotton as your own example because he made them. Do you not understand you made my point for me when trying to back your own?
If maymon goes 3-10 next game, you still going to be on here talking about a great ft rate? No. If he goes 8-10? You'd start a callout thread and would prove my point, again, that making them determines the efficacy of your stat.
 
#197
#197
whobethis16 said:
If Maymon is able to get to the line 7 times and take 14 free throws, I'll gladly take the 9 points out of him. 65% be damned, that's 9 points out of it. Would I rather he hit 11, absolutely, but he won't. So I want him to get the points where he can. You keep saying he sucks with that, but if he's scoring 9-10 points from the line, is it really that bad of a thing from him? Hell no.
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How often in his career has he scored 9-10 pts from the line?
 
#198
#198
Spartacavolus said:
He has had poor effort on d and boxing out has been weak.
People have no idea how hard it can be after what he has been thru, mentally and physically. He's had a tough road.
Still doesn't mean he is an efficient offensive player right now. That's gotta be a joke.
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This is just to test out a theory....

In your opinion, is the Vols offense efficient or inefficient as a whole?

Because I think you wouldn't know an offensively efficient player if one sat on your face.
 
#199
#199
MC, I think the issue some are having with your OP (or at least I think it is your OP) is that you were comparing Lousiville's overall game efficiency to the efficiency of only Maymon when he gets to the FT line. Comparing those two efficiency ratings is bad statistics.

On another note, I think our main issue is the fact that we have two relatively unathletic 6'6" power forwards that are our 'big men'.
 
#200
#200
VolStudent247 said:
MC, I think the issue some are having with your OP (or at least I think it is your OP) is that you were comparing Lousiville's overall game efficiency to the efficiency of only Maymon when he gets to the FT line. Comparing those two efficiency ratings is bad statistics.

On another note, I think our main issue is the fact that we have two relatively unathletic 6'6" power forwards that are our 'big men'.
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The comparison to Louisville is just meant to show how effective even a 60% FT shooter can be. Sparty can't grasp that, because he can only see 60% being a poor FT% and his mind simply can't get past that.

It's like saying that Jordy Mac shouldn't shoot anymore 3s because his % (32%) isn't as high as Antonio Barton's (40%). It's a very elementary way to view the game.
 
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