'15 TN ATH Jauan Jennings (UT commit 4/7/14)

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BigOrangeTrain said:
I never claimed to know more than the coaches do. I am basing my opinion on stats and where each guy plays at. Blackman is just not on the same level as Texas HS football. I used to think where a guy plays and what competition he plays against didn't matter. I have since come to see the error of my ways. I personally don't care if my opinion doesn't agree with yours. I could be proven wrong and if that's the case I will gladly eat crow. But with QD and Kendall coming in, I don't see JJ ever becoming a starting QB at UT. That's not a knock on JJ but a testament to the quality of talent CBJ is bringing in.

However a guy with JJ skill set, he could be used at different positions and would excel.
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Let's compare where each guy plays at shall we...
Boerne High School - National Ranking 3439, State Ranking 376
Schedule:
Hondo - National 5939, State 579 - won 38-22
Medina Valley - National 8477, State 783 - won 41-15
Marble Falls - National 2202, State 245 - lost 40-7
Antonian Prep - National 5487, State 537 - won 34-0

Stats 97-169 1241, 13tds, 9ints 57.4% rushing 16-39, 1td. All stats for 4 games played.

Blackman High School - National Ranking 55, State Ranking 3
Schedule
Oakland - National 166, State 6 - won 28-21
Brentwood - National 2708, State 80 - won 42-21
Riverdale - National 553, State 20 - won 49-16
Mt Juliet - National 1581, State 48 - won 49-21
Stewarts Creek - National 6107, State 167 - won 49-14

Stats 39-69 772, 7tds, ? ints (5 games) 56.5% rushing 38-313 7tds (4 games - don't have rushing stats from Friday)

The district Blackman is in has been ranked in the top 10 of toughest districts in the nation. Dormady's competition, although in the mighty state of Texas, is not that tough.

I am not trashing Dormady. I support any player committed or playing for the Vols. I just wanted to shed a little light on the stats/competition debate that is used to compare these 2.
 
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volinSmyrna said:
Let's compare where each guy plays at shall we...

The district Blackman is in has been ranked in the top 10 of toughest districts in the nation. Dormady's competition, although in the mighty state of Texas, is not that tough.
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that also means the talent supporting Dormady is sub par as well... if it was a RB v RB comparison,I would say it makes a world of difference,or LB v LB,but its harder with QB's with different talents surrounding them
 
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volinSmyrna said:
Let's compare where each guy plays at shall we...
Boerne High School - National Ranking 3439, State Ranking 376
Schedule:
Hondo - National 5939, State 579 - won 38-22
Medina Valley - National 8477, State 783 - won 41-15
Marble Falls - National 2202, State 245 - lost 40-7
Antonian Prep - National 5487, State 537 - won 34-0

Stats 97-169 1241, 13tds, 9ints 57.4% rushing 16-39, 1td. All stats for 4 games played.

Blackman High School - National Ranking 55, State Ranking 3
Schedule
Oakland - National 166, State 6 - won 28-21
Brentwood - National 2708, State 80 - won 42-21
Riverdale - National 553, State 20 - won 49-16
Mt Juliet - National 1581, State 48 - won 49-21
Stewarts Creek - National 6107, State 167 - won 49-14

Stats 39-69 772, 7tds, ? ints (5 games) 56.5% rushing 38-313 7tds (4 games - don't have rushing stats from Friday)

The district Blackman is in has been ranked in the top 10 of toughest districts in the nation. Dormady's competition, although in the mighty state of Texas, is not that tough.

I am not trashing Dormady. I support any player committed or playing for the Vols. I just wanted to shed a little light on the stats/competition debate that is used to compare these 2.
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Almost lost in all this, is the tidbit that Dormady's team sucks...kinda important when evaluating a prospect. :question:
 
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*This is by no means a knock on JJ*

My take on these two.

JJ is a bit of a wildcard. I think CBJ expects JJ to develop into a great SEC caliber QB... But with a kid that is an ATH trying to become a SEC QB, it can be hit or miss.

This is where QD comes into play. I think he is the safety net at QB for the class. I think the staff knows he has a shorter path to becoming a SEC caliber QB. I think they feel very confident that he can develop to lead our team back to winning seasons.

Back to JJ. If JJ can develop into what some people here think he can, we will have a real stud on our hands. I just think at this point it is still a giant unknown if he will develop his passing to be serviceable in the SEC.

Keep in mind, our offense and weapons at WR are not set up to have a Nick Marshall type at QB. We need an elite passer who can also tuck the ball an run when needed.
 
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Kook said:
*This is by no means a knock on JJ*

My take on these two.

JJ is a bit of a wildcard. I think CBJ expects JJ to develop into a great SEC caliber QB... But with a kid that is an ATH trying to become a SEC QB, it can be hit or miss.

This is where QD comes into play. I think he is the safety net at QB for the class. I think the staff knows he has a shorter path to becoming a SEC caliber QB. I think they feel very confident that he can develop to lead our team back to winning seasons.

Back to JJ. If JJ can develop into what some people here think he can, we will have a real stud on our hands. I just think at this point it is still a giant unknown if he will develop his passing to be serviceable in the SEC.

Keep in mind, our offense and weapons at WR are not set up to have a Nick Marshall type at QB. We need an elite passer who can also tuck the ball an run when needed.
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Dormady is not a safety net. Dormady has a ceiling every bit as high as JJ. They're just two very different quarterbacks, and the safety net is having two of them in case one doesn't pan out.
 
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turambar85 said:
Dormady is not a safety net. Dormady has a ceiling every bit as high as JJ. They're just two very different quarterbacks, and the safety net is having two of them in case one doesn't pan out.
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We are going to have to disagree here slightly.

QD is a safety net because his passing is already in a good place. Therefore you can feel more confident that he can lead out team to victory.

If JJ can get his passing on the same level as QD, he will be more dynamic in the run game.

But, since (I think) we know more of what we are getting with QD, he is considered a safety net.

That being said, if you were to read any of my posts regarding JJ and QD, you would see that I personally believe QD will be our QB of the future and lead us back into SEC contention.
 
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engineerVOL said:
"Safety net?"

C'mon, Kook.
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Yes. And I don't mean it negatively at all. I am using that term in the sense that I think we have a better picture of what to expect out of QD's development.

And since we have a solid QB on board (QD) that allows time to try and develop JJ. JJ was never going to be the only QB we took this class. We had to add a more polished passer along with him. In my mind, that makes QD a safety net.
 
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triad280 said:
that also means the talent supporting Dormady is sub par as well... if it was a RB v RB comparison,I would say it makes a world of difference,or LB v LB,but its harder with QB's with different talents surrounding them
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True, but the defenses he is playing against are crap as well, so the talent he has to play with is pretty much the same as the talent against him. He just happens to be better than all of them. If he was playing against quality opponents I would absolutely agree with you.
 
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Kook said:
Yes. And I don't mean it negatively at all. I am using that term in the sense that I think we have a better picture of what to expect out of QD's development.

And since we have a solid QB on board (QD) that allows time to try and develop JJ. JJ was never going to be the only QB we took this class. We had to add a more polished passer along with him. In my mind, that makes QD a safety net.
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I agree. Bottom line is that if either QD or JJ have to play next year, we are in trouble. Let them sit a year or two, hope like heck Peterman or Dobbs aren't wasted scholarships, and let them battle it out in 16 or 17.
 
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Kook said:
Yes. And I don't mean it negatively at all. I am using that term in the sense that I think we have a better picture of what to expect out of QD's development.

And since we have a solid QB on board (QD) that allows time to try and develop JJ. JJ was never going to be the only QB we took this class. We had to add a more polished passer along with him. In my mind, that makes QD a safety net.
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I guess I just don't see any recruit as a safety net for the other. I think we fans overthink* it too much.

*See LebanonVol
 
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engineerVOL said:
I guess I just don't see any recruit as a safety net for the other. I think we fans overthink* it too much.

*See LebanonVol
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Coaches are putting their livelihood on recruiting and coaching up players. I think fans often times under think things. *See the TG thread.

But who knows, I could be wrong. Often times I am.
 
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Kook said:
Coaches are putting their livelihood on recruiting and coaching up players. I think fans often times under think things. *See the TG thread.

But who knows, I could be wrong. Often times I am.
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I've prided myself on not entering the TG thread since it morphed into TGII. I'm afraid of getting the dumb if I open it.
 
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Kook said:
*This is by no means a knock on JJ*

My take on these two.

JJ is a bit of a wildcard. I think CBJ expects JJ to develop into a great SEC caliber QB... But with a kid that is an ATH trying to become a SEC QB, it can be hit or miss.

This is where QD comes into play. I think he is the safety net at QB for the class. I think the staff knows he has a shorter path to becoming a SEC caliber QB. I think they feel very confident that he can develop to lead our team back to winning seasons.

Back to JJ. If JJ can develop into what some people here think he can, we will have a real stud on our hands. I just think at this point it is still a giant unknown if he will develop his passing to be serviceable in the SEC.

Keep in mind, our offense and weapons at WR are not set up to have a Nick Marshall type at QB. We need an elite passer who can also tuck the ball an run when needed.
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Disagree with a couple of thoughts in this post. Particularly the idea that CBJ expects JJ to develop into a great SEC caliber QB. I suspect CBJ would like to see that happen and will give him an opportunity to prove himself.

However, IMO, JJ's real value to CBJ is his potential in other positions if QB doesn't work out.
 
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VOLinCO said:
Disagree with a couple of thoughts in this post. Particularly the idea that CBJ expects JJ to develop into a great SEC caliber QB. I suspect CBJ would like to see that happen and will give him an opportunity to prove himself.

However, IMO, JJ's real value to CBJ is his potential in other positions if QB doesn't work out.
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Agreed. JJ has a great skill set that allows him to excel at multiple positions.
 
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As with all QB prospects we know nothing until they get here. Everyone was on Ferguson's bandwagon as I recall. He is not even on the roster now. While one of the freshmen might play some next year I look for Dobbs or Peterman to take the reins and be the starter all next year baring injury. Give Jennings a year to redshirt and it will not surprise me one bit if he ends up being the starter. QD will get a shot at it too. Whichever should be adequate.
 
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