'15 TN ATH Nathan Cottrell

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Nathan is running 4.35s in Under Armour Cam football cleats and football shorts on either a field turf or natural grass football field. He's not in a Bolt singlet wearing track shoes on a track surface.

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Everyone's 40 is timed in a straight line on track so the kid is fast.

There is more to football than just being fast, trust in the coaches and wish the kid well wherever he goes.
 
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BigVol80 said:
Everyone's 40 is timed in a straight line on track so the kid is fast.

There is more to football than just being fast, trust in the coaches and wish the kid well wherever he goes.
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I've been to several combines and they are not timed on the track. They have about 6 lanes on the football field that they run in. At college camps, they pull you to the side and you run for the coaches on a set course.

To your point, I agree 100%. The debate over speed is asinine. The real debate at this time is whether he should receive an offer.
 
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I think it's hilarious that LV is so hell-bent on dragging TG (top ten 5* player) through the dirt yet he is imploring as to why we (and everyone else) haven't offered NC, 0* local running back.
 
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Go Fight Win said:
I think it's hilarious that LV is so hell-bent on dragging TG (top ten 5* player) through the dirt yet he is imploring as to why we (and everyone else) haven't offered NC, 0* local running back.
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Actually I have recently said I did not see NC getting an offer.

I can still discuss why I think he is fast.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I suppose when the NFL requires guys to run their 40 in full pads and a helmet, we'll know who's speed actually translates well to the field.

It's just shocking to me that all those guys running those 4.3s-4.5s in all those events and combines(including the NFL) around the country don't realize their speed is kind of fake and in no way translates to being a fast football player.

Or does that just go for the white RB from Knoxville? :eek:lol:
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Leonard Scott- only asset was as a kick returner where he could get a running start. He was one of the fastest men in the world after he graduated, and he did very little his last few years for football at UT. It helps, but just because you are fast doesn't mean you are great at football.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Leonard Scott- only asset was as a kick returner where he could get a running start. He was one of the fastest men in the world after he graduated, and he did very little his last few years for football at UT. It helps, but just because you are fast doesn't mean you are great at football.
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Leonard Scott did not end up being much of a WR at all at Tennessee. The thing that gets me is I'm not sure why that should surprise anyone as he was a RB his JR and SR year in HS and only averaged about 800 yards a year. Cottrell plays RB not WR. Add to that his 2000 yards last year and I don't see much being similar at all.
 
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"He is a really good athlete and is a smart football player. Size is the concern that many schools have with him. I know Air Force has offered as has VMI, and Austin Peay. Cottrell is 5-10, 185 pounds."

-Hubbs

After running the 4.36 40 at Duke, their coaching staff is still going to evaluate him.
 
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Everyone is arguing whether he is fast or not is insane. The timed runs show that he is fast. The main point of contention should be, is he an elite football player. His offer list says no. He camped at Duke and left without an offer.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Leonard Scott did not end up being much of a WR at all at Tennessee. The thing that gets me is I'm not sure why that should surprise anyone as he was a RB his JR and SR year in HS and only averaged about 800 yards a year. Cottrell plays RB not WR. Add to that his 2000 yards last year and I don't see much being similar at all.
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I wasn't trying to compare their accomplishments or them, as players. It is just one example where speed does not equal a good football player. It is not that difficult. Just like on the other end with slower 40 times- Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, Richard Sherman, Joe Haden, etc. All of them had slower times for their positions and have succeeded.

Cottrell may be successful, but just because he runs a sub 4.4 doesn't mean he will succeed automatically.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I wasn't trying to compare their accomplishments or them, as players. It is just one example where speed does not equal a good football player. It is not that difficult. Just like on the other end with slower 40 times- Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, Richard Sherman, Joe Haden, etc. All of them had slower times for their positions and have succeeded.

Cottrell may be successful, but just because he runs a sub 4.4 doesn't mean he will succeed automatically.
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In a lot of cases I am sure that would be accurate. Why I question it in this case is simply because he has elite speed AND his stats equal that of an elite talent ON the football field. 2000 yards in a season and 15YPC is no joke in any classification of football.
 
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TriCitiesVol said:
"He is a really good athlete and is a smart football player. Size is the concern that many schools have with him. I know Air Force has offered as has VMI, and Austin Peay. Cottrell is 5-10, 185 pounds."

-Hubbs

After running the 4.36 40 at Duke, their coaching staff is still going to evaluate him.
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And this should tell you all you need to know.
 
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TriCitiesVol said:
"He is a really good athlete and is a smart football player. Size is the concern that many schools have with him. I know Air Force has offered as has VMI, and Austin Peay. Cottrell is 5-10, 185 pounds."

-Hubbs

After running the 4.36 40 at Duke, their coaching staff is still going to evaluate him.
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Size comment is a joke. He's closer to 5'11" anyways but that is good size for a rising Sr RB with his speed.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
In a lot of cases I am sure that would be accurate. Why I question it in this case is simply because he has elite speed AND his stats equal that of an elite talent ON the football field. 2000 yards in a season and 15YPC is no joke in any classification of football.
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Well, I don't watch much film or look at many stats in high school. There is enough to look at in college and pros. I would have no clue what kind of competition he plays against. But, there are many great athletes in high school who cannot manage to play at a D1 level. Pretty sure this staff has given us reason to trust their evaluations. I would think they know enough about someone in their back yard. We are recruiting a different level of players than we were just 3 years ago. Some of these type guys just aren't able to make the cut (at UT). JMO.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Everyone is arguing whether he is fast or not is insane. The timed runs show that he is fast. The main point of contention should be, is he an elite football player. His offer list says no. He camped at Duke and left without an offer.
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Just got on here after awhile and this thing is laughable with a lot of bold statements. The kid is 4.3 fast cause he's ran it at three different places...including Duke! And he will at UT and wherever else he goes, rather you like it or not. His tape shows speed!! Whoever said he does not play at 4.3 speed is just being nit picky, lots of factors go into a 15 game season and the kid was banged up in playoffs and still out ran everyone. Bottom line is he's fast.
Just cause he came out of duke with no offer does not mean he's not elite. I know a couple west coaches and they told me Duke had no idea who Cottrell was until this weekend! Said their coaching staff loved him and are still looking at him...no coaching staff is gonna offer a kid that they have not even seen film on yet. Will see what duke does in next few weeks
 
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TriCitiesVol said:
"He is a really good athlete and is a smart football player. Size is the concern that many schools have with him. I know Air Force has offered as has VMI, and Austin Peay. Cottrell is 5-10, 185 pounds."

-Hubbs

After running the 4.36 40 at Duke, their coaching staff is still going to evaluate him.
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Is 5-10, 185 too small to play slot in the SEC? Probably not IMHO.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
It's not. The problem there would be NC would need ALOT more film of him catching the ball to draw much interest IMO.
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Wouldn't surprise me if that didn't happen more during his senior season.

I believe UT's camp for skill players is next week. Would imagine they'll see what his hands are like then. I'm assuming he is going but obviously don't know. Maybe someone close to NC will let us know.
 
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