'16 NC CB Marquill Osborne (UT commit 9/6/14)

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I'm really glad we don't have to worry much about MO now. This is one kid this class had to have, to me, to be successful...Big Boom.
 
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BruinVol said:
You can only sign the ones you plan to keep and that are EEs

Why have the ability to open up the contact rules if the kid controls if there is a violation?

If the schools have the ability to open up the contact then going back and giving a violation is completely bs. Just don't change the contact rules if a kid signs imo

Seems soooo ignorant. For that matter let's plant a mole to sign with Bama and then get then get them in trouble.
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You realize this is a relatively new rule, right? Malone signed FAAs with 3 different schools in 2013 before enrolling in 2014.

The problem is not that there is a "contact rule" under that section of the rule book, it's that signing a FAA basically makes a kid a student at the school and that creates a loophole that allows the staff to contact them. And since a player could sign a FAA basically at any time, a team could, in theory, sign a kid early in his senior year and not have to worry about dead periods and the like.

At least that's my understanding, I could be wrong on some of that.

I'm not saying this system is correct, just that there is a logic to the secondary violation thing. Yeah, the system should be changed. I imagine it will be in the next year or two.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
You realize this is a relatively new rule, right? Malone signed FAAs with 3 different schools in 2013 before enrolling in 2014.

The problem is not that there is a "contact rule" under that section of the rule book, it's that signing a FAA basically makes a kid a student at the school and that creates a loophole that allows the staff to contact them. And since a player could sign a FAA basically at any time, a team could, in theory, sign a kid early in his senior year and not have to worry about dead periods and the like.

At least that's my understanding, I could be wrong on some of that.

I'm not saying this system is correct, just that there is a logic to the secondary violation thing. Yeah, the system should be changed. I imagine it will be in the next year or two.
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Everything you posted seems spot on to me as long as you are only talking about EEs


All I am saying if the NCAA is going to allow schools to do this there shouldn't be a backtracking where violations are punished if the kid changes their mind.

I see this as no different than a kid signing in feb and the coaches then contacting the kid anyway they wish and then the kid not coming for whatever reason. The NCAA doesn't consider there to be any violation in that scenario so they shouldn't in the other IMO
 
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BruinVol said:
Everything you posted seems spot on to me as long as you are only talking about EEs


All I am saying if the NCAA is going to allow schools to do this there shouldn't be a backtracking where violations are punished if the kid changes their mind.

I see this as no different than a kid signing in feb and the coaches then contacting the kid anyway they wish and then the kid not coming for whatever reason. The NCAA doesn't consider there to be any violation in that scenario so they shouldn't in the other IMO
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We are sooooooo lucky to have you as the 'moral compass' of the recruiting forum. Personally, I like you better when you sign in as leb
 
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BruinVol said:
Everything you posted seems spot on to me as long as you are only talking about EEs


All I am saying if the NCAA is going to allow schools to do this there shouldn't be a backtracking where violations are punished if the kid changes their mind.

I see this as no different than a kid signing in feb and the coaches then contacting the kid anyway they wish and then the kid not coming for whatever reason. The NCAA doesn't consider there to be any violation in that scenario so they shouldn't in the other IMO
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That's the thing though. The purpose of having a FAA for EEs is so a school can't leave them out to dry. Technically, using it as a way to be in constant contact with a kid is a perversion of the way it's meant to be used. Literally the only advantage to signing one early as opposed to the day you show up on campus is increased contact for the staff.

So having a penalty in place for teams who take advantage of this rule does have a certain logic to it.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
That's the thing though. The purpose of having a FAA for EEs is so a school can't leave them out to dry. Technically, using it as a way to be in constant contact with a kid is a perversion of the way it's meant to be used. Literally the only advantage to signing one early as opposed to the day you show up on campus is increased contact for the staff.

So having a penalty in place for teams who take advantage of this rule does have a certain logic to it.
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Agree with the first paragraph for the most part. However opening up contact does make a lot of sense for a kid that is moving on your campus in a matter of weeks. Plenty of logistical and clerical issues have to be worked out and NCAA contact rules can hinder that process. I am sure this is the rationale behind the NCAA allowing freedom of contact
 
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BruinVol said:
Agree with the first paragraph for the most part. However opening up contact does make a lot of sense for a kid that is moving on your campus in a matter of weeks. Plenty of logistical and clerical issues have to be worked out and NCAA contact rules can hinder that process. I am sure this is the rationale behind the NCAA allowing freedom of contact
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That's the way it's meant to be used, to help a kid who's moving on to campus during the dead period.

But a team could, in theory, abuse that power by having a kid sign a FAA early in the fall and have him on campus every weekend if they wanted.


IMO it seems like the best thing to do would just be to close the window on FAAs a bit so that the potential to be abused is nullified somewhat.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
That's the way it's meant to be used, to help a kid who's moving on to campus during the dead period.

But a team could, in theory, abuse that power by having a kid sign a FAA early in the fall and have him on campus every weekend if they wanted.


IMO it seems like the best thing to do would just be to close the window on FAAs a bit so that the potential to be abused is nullified somewhat.
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Agreed
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Cause that recruit signed an offer of admission and not financial aid agreement. Two different documents, two different sets of rules that apply.
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How do you know butch and every other coach aren't using the same tactic now, since one can get you punished and the other can't? Both allow unlimited contact and ability to talk about recruits by name.
 
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