'16 PF NC Grant Williams (UT commit 11/13/15)

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volbeast33 said:
Bc I dont like the schools.... I'm not positive the extent but I'm very influential in my kids decisions even after they turn 18.
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Well, if you are fitting the bill, then I have no problem with you having a say in it. That isn't the case for Williams though, who is receiving a full ride. The decision should be his to make.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Well, if you are fitting the bill, then I have no problem with you having a say in it. That isn't the case for Williams though, who is receiving a full ride. The decision should be his to make.
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It doesn't matter who is paying the bill imo.....of course I don't think it will be a problem bc I have been teaching my kids which schools they will not be attending since they were old enough to talk.
 
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volbeast33 said:
It doesn't matter who is paying the bill imo.....of course I don't think it will be a problem bc I have been teaching my kids which schools they will not be attending since they were old enough to talk.
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Agree to disagree. IMO, kids have to learn to make their own decisions at some point.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Well, if you are fitting the bill, then I have no problem with you having a say in it. That isn't the case for Williams though, who is receiving a full ride. The decision should be his to make.
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Likely Not true on the full ride part.

Williams family does pretty well it sounds which means he would have to pay to go to an Ivy League school
 
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volbeast33 said:
Bc I dont like the schools.... I'm not positive the extent but I'm very influential in my kids decisions even after they turn 18.
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Understandable. But just because you "don't like" the schools? What does that even mean? Lets say you live in TN, and the kid has a chance to go to a better program at UK than at UT (not saying that's the case). I understand money situations, but limiting based on your own personal feelings, I don't know man. My parents raised me not forcing any ideological opinions. I of course loved UK, but when it came to making a choice of college, they gave me the choice to pick between schools that most UK fans don't like. Money wasn't a huge issue for me, but either way I appreciated my parents supporting my decisions. I ended up picking UK, but I nearly ended up at Vandy, which they wouldn't have liked as UK fans, but would have supported my academic/career goals.
 
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BruinVol said:
Likely Not true on the full ride part.

Williams family does pretty well it sounds which means he would have to pay to go to an Ivy League school
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Ivy League is the exception. I'm talking about the mother's preference for Ivy over Tennessee. He is getting a full ride at UT.
 
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iKrager said:
Especially after 18, IMO.
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Shoot! Why wait till they are 18? Why not start at 10 or 11? /blue font off

I have often wondered what made 18 such a magical number (yeah, I get the legalities part). I am 54, and I still seek lots of advice for major decisions. To each his own, I guess.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Ivy League is the exception. I'm talking about the mother's preference for Ivy over Tennessee. He is getting a full ride at UT.
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Under that thinking wouldn't it make a lot of sense for the mom to say

I want you to go to Princeton so bad I am willing to pay for it all.


Seems like she deserves more say in the decision under those circumstances.

Jmo
 
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LittleCat said:
Understandable. But just because you "don't like" the schools? What does that even mean? Lets say you live in TN, and the kid has a chance to go to a better program at UK than at UT (not saying that's the case). I understand money situations, but limiting based on your own personal feelings, I don't know man. My parents raised me not forcing any ideological opinions. I of course loved UK, but when it came to making a choice of college, they gave me the choice to pick between schools that most UK fans don't like. Money wasn't a huge issue for me, but either way I appreciated my parents supporting my decisions. I ended up picking UK, but I nearly ended up at Vandy, which they wouldn't have liked as UK fans, but would have supported my academic/career goals.
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I will be there for every step of my kids decision....I won't hold them back and probably encourage if their is a school that offers a program to better their career that isn't offered at other places....my kids know that all things being equal that they will not be attending certain universities........
 
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BruinVol said:
Under that thinking wouldn't it make a lot of sense for the mom to say

I want you to go to Princeton so bad I am willing to pay for it all.


Seems like she deserves more say in the decision under those circumstances.

Jmo
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Why does she deserve more say in this major life decision just because she is willing to pay to get her way? What does that have to with anything other than to emphasize her stance?
 
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If I have kids, there's only two schools they're not allowed to go to, Alabama, and Kentucky.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Why does she deserve more say in this major life decision just because she is willing to pay to get her way? What does that have to with anything other than to emphasize her stance?
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I am not taking that side just saying if a parent is willing to pay for something a kid can get for free that might hold serious weight with the kid.


I doubt the mom wins out here but it is worth considering IMO
 
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cncchris33 said:
Why does she deserve more say in this major life decision just because she is willing to pay to get her way? What does that have to with anything other than to emphasize her stance?
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A) She's his Mom.

B) He's 16, not 18 or 21. A 16 year old is thinking more about the NBA. Grant is lucky he's got someone who cares enough to at least give the process some thought.

C) I don't know who has been doing it, but somebody has been paying $25,000/year for Grant to attend Providence Day School for at least a couple of years. Maybe grants or scholarships, but someone is making sure this young man gets a good start in life. Yep, that pales in comparison to Ivy League, but that's still a chunk of change. If his Mom is willing to make that financial sacrifice, I'd say that weighs a lot in the decision.

D) It's not like she's selling him to the highest bidder - like happens to often in these kinds of situations. She's pushing him to an Ivy League school. It seems unlikely that's a self-centered POV. Maybe, but seems unlikely.

That being said, if the kid really wants to come to Tennessee, which I suspect he does. I'd say there's a very good chance that happens.
 
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I did find a prime example of a former Texas player to compare to Grant Williams to. PJ Tucker. Tucker, class of 2003, came in at Texas as a 6'5, 240lb PF. Similar in size and weight, Tucker was also known as a guy without position, but still developed well enough to play in the NBA for multiple years. Williams will need to continue to develop a consistent 3 point shot if he does want to be a successful SF/PF.

Here's PJ Tucker's Rivals file: Anthony Tucker - Yahoo! Sports

Grant Williams: Grant Williams - Yahoo! Sports
 
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BruinVol said:
I am not taking that side just saying if a parent is willing to pay for something a kid can get for free that might hold serious weight with the kid.


I doubt the mom wins out here but it is worth considering IMO
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Saying it MIGHT hold weight (as you said in this post) is different than saying it SHOULD hold weight (as you said in your last post).

Maybe it does hold some weight in the kid's mind, but it shouldn't be the sole, ultimate determining factor.
 
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germanicus said:
A) She's his Mom.

B) He's 16, not 18 or 21. A 16 year old is thinking more about the NBA. Grant is lucky he's got someone who cares enough to at least give the process some thought.

C) I don't know who has been doing it, but somebody has been paying $25,000/year for Grant to attend Providence Day School for at least a couple of years. Maybe grants or scholarships, but someone is making sure this young man gets a good start in life. Yep, that pales in comparison to Ivy League, but that's still a chunk of change. If his Mom is willing to make that financial sacrifice, I'd say that weighs a lot in the decision.

D) It's not like she's selling him to the highest bidder - like happens to often in these kinds of situations. She's pushing him to an Ivy League school. It seems unlikely that's a self-centered POV. Maybe, but seems unlikely.

That being said, if the kid really wants to come to Tennessee, which I suspect he does. I'd say there's a very good chance that happens.
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It seems as if you're trying to portray my view as though he should just make the decision without any counsel from his mom/family and no consideration for her opinion.

That's not what I'm saying at all. I just think the ultimate decision should be his to make, and not his mom.

I'm not asking you to agree with me, and Williams' situation is much different than the large majority of other college athletes making the same decision, so there isn't a blanket right/wrong answer.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Saying it MIGHT hold weight (as you said in this post) is different than saying it SHOULD hold weight (as you said in your last post).

Maybe it does hold some weight in the kid's mind, but it shouldn't be the sole, ultimate determining factor.
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If I said should that is my mistake

Apologies
 
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