'16 TN WR Nate Johnson

[KBVol]

I think a RS junior has an advantage over a true junior. How much is debatable and im hesitant to agree TOO much with D4h about anything lol
I'm not down on Dobbs though. He was inconsistent at times but the whole team was. I look for him to have a big year

Redshirt freshman vs true freshman? Yes. Redshirt junior vs true junior? I personally don't see it. Then throw in the fact thst the true junior (Dobbs) threw 121 passes as a freshman vs 18 for the redshirt junior (Prescott) when he was a redshirt freshman. I think the ingame experience, the live reps vs real competition advantage that Josh got early in his career trumps the extra time Dak spent in the film and weight rooms. IMHO, if there is any advantage at all, it's negligible. Jmo.

 

[butchna]

I think a RS junior has an advantage over a true junior. How much is debatable and im hesitant to agree TOO much with D4h about anything lol
I'm not down on Dobbs though. He was inconsistent at times but the whole team was. I look for him to have a big year

This is not a down on Dobbs issue. This is disputing the rationale that Dobbs would be dead even with Dak if the latter hadn't redshirted. Prescott was better by the end of his third (not fourth) season because he seized the starting job earlier in his development. Trial and error ON THE FIELD...not studying film,working out and running the scout team. Dobbs gets better next year? It's due to catching up to the speed of opposing D's and increasing his touch and timing on passes...in game action.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Ok...football Obi-Won...who's more "experienced" between Dormady and Sheriron? Even? Guy that PLAYS (even minimally) and gets backup reps during the season? Or guy on the scout team? Pretending he's the opposing QB? If Sheriron beats out Dormady in the Spring, it won't be because of his EXPERIENCE...it'll be because he's flat out better! And which QBs you ever actually gab with? Any that got murdered by their mistress?

They're nearly even. Dormady is slightly ahead. And not because He got some irrelevant snaps at the end of blowouts. But rather because he came in 6 months earlier and had a head start in learning the system.

 

[CNeagleVolFan]

Delete thread or move on... Theres a million dobbs threads in the fb forum!!

 

[butchna]

Delete thread or move on... Theres a million dobbs threads in the fb forum!!

Glutting up a Michigan recruits thread?

 

[butchna]

They're nearly even. Dormady is slightly ahead. And not because He got some irrelevant snaps at the end of blowouts. But rather because he came in 6 months earlier and had a head start in learning the system.

No because he's playing...I mentioned "slightly". With your line of thinking, the extra redshirt work should have Sheriron ahead.

 

[MockingVol]

I also knew both kids and just wanted to say that my first hand experience was that both kids are very upstanding individuals from great parents. I do know what you're saying though. Vic plays with a chip on his shoulder and I have seen that he doesn't take anything from anybody. I know their track team was unbelievable as well. Nate was a heck of a triple jumper and Vic ran low 21's and 46 400m.

Since it is the giving season, I decided to gift you with grammar and spelling.

 

[LaagerVol]

This is not a down on Dobbs issue. This is disputing the rationale that Dobbs would be dead even with Dak if the latter hadn't redshirted. Prescott was better by the end of his third (not fourth) season because he seized the starting job earlier in his development. Trial and error ON THE FIELD...not studying film,working out and running the scout team. Dobbs gets better next year? It's due to catching up to the speed of opposing D's and increasing his touch and timing on passes...in game action.

For goodness sakes dude, does a RS year help with development or not? Because you're arguing that practice, learning the system and strength/conditioning training doesn't help, only ON THE FIELD trial and error helps. By your logic why RS anyone ever?

 

[sanddune50]

For goodness sakes dude, does a RS year help with development or not? Because you're arguing that practice, learning the system and strength/conditioning training doesn't help, only ON THE FIELD trial and error helps. By your logic why RS anyone ever?

Not what he said. Get some comprehension skills 'dude'. This isn't a video game or a robotic system where guys automatically get better because of being on the team an extra year. What butchna was insinuating is that there is no way to replicate reps in a live game. No amount of film, study, practice, etc. will guarantee success on the field. Look at Nathan Peterman. By all accounts was ahead of Dobbs on the depth chart due to looking better in practice. Would any of us dare think Peterman is the better QB at this point? Redshirts aren't necessarily just used to get a player better either. That's only part of it. The other part of it is to stagger the chart so you have a QB lined up in every class. If it wasn't for Worley's injury, Dobbs would have redshirted either his freshman or sophomore year due to our lack of depth at the position.

 

[VolinArizona]

Really? How did he play the year that he didn't actually play? How did his stats compare the year that he didn't play a snap vs the years that he's been Miss State's starter?

I'm only saying a redshirt year does put someone ahead of someone who hasn't redshirted in terms of strength and system knowledge.

Even if someone doesn't play in their redshirt year, they get a year of practices, film room studies, etc.

 

[LaagerVol]

Not what he said. Get some comprehension skills 'dude'. This isn't a video game or a robotic system where guys automatically get better because of being on the team an extra year. What butchna was insinuating is that there is no way to replicate reps in a live game. No amount of film, study, practice, etc. will guarantee success on the field. Look at Nathan Peterman. By all accounts was ahead of Dobbs on the depth chart due to looking better in practice. Would any of dare think Peterman is the better QB at this point? Redshirts aren't necessarily just used to get a player better either. That's only part of it. The other part of it is to stagger the chart so you have a QB lined up in every class. If it wasn't for Worley's injury, Dobbs would have redshirted either his freshman or sophomore year due to our lack of depth at the position.

Does a redshirt year help with development or not? Everybody is always saying how great it would be to redshirt X player, how important it is that Y is an EE. Now you guys are saying that it doesn't help. Cant be both ways.

 

[butchna]

For goodness sakes dude, does a RS year help with development or not? Because you're arguing that practice, learning the system and strength/conditioning training doesn't help, only ON THE FIELD trial and error helps. By your logic why RS anyone ever?

That NOT what we're arguing! D4H is saying that at the end of Prescott's RS junior year he had FOUR year's experience! He threw 29 passes his RS freshman year! How is that more EXPERIENCE than Dobbs first two years? If you want to argue which is preferable in a QB's development? Sure...a redshirt year HELPS But when comparing careers after three years of PLAYING? Your stats stand on their own! At the end of Dak's junior year, he had TWO years of significant playing time...Dobbs had three. Playing time trumps the development value of redshirt time...it just does.

 

[LaagerVol]

That NOT what we're arguing! D4H is saying that at the end of Prescott's RS junior year he had FOUR year's experience! He threw 29 passes his RS freshman year! How is that more EXPERIENCE than Dobbs first two years? If you want to argue which is preferable in a QB's development? Sure...a redshirt year HELPS But when comparing careers after three years of PLAYING? Your stats stand on their own! At the end of Dak's junior year, he had TWO years of significant playing time...Dobbs had three. Playing time trumps the development value of redshirt time...it just does.

I think it's somewhere in the middle. A whole year of playing time trumps a RS year without a doubt. But a 4 year player that had a RS year has an advantage on a 3 yr guy without one. The RS does help. Not really comparing Dak to Dobbs, i just think you guys should be fair in your argument bc a RS does help
And why all the exclamation points? It isnt that serious lol

 

[Jax_Vol]

Kinda small but at least he is slow

 

[butchna]

I think it's somewhere in the middle. A whole year of playing time trumps a RS year without a doubt. But a 4 year player that had a RS year has an advantage on a 3 yr guy without one. The RS does help. Not really comparing Dak to Dobbs, i just think you guys should be fair in your argument bc a RS does help
And why all the exclamation points? It isnt that serious lol

After you stress the same thing over 3 times, you say it a little louder. Never said a redshirt year doesn't HELP... It's just not playing experience. Three years playing is three years playing...Dak is a "four year player" NOW...not last year...seems very fair rationale.

 

[LaagerVol]

After you stress the same thing over 3 times, you say it a little louder. Never said a redshirt year doesn't HELP... It's just not playing experience. Three years playing is three years playing...Dak is a "four year player" NOW...not last year...seems very fair rationale.

You guys carry on. Merry Christmas

 

[PYSCHO]

Why don't you guys go to the ff forum and argue it out? Who cares one is the qb at ut and one is leaving college football. Prescott has had a good career and miss state has had a good run and up till this yr they had a better team which in turn has helped the qb perform better. Prescott will not be a pro qb of any value to a team as dobbs may not either. Whoever stats are this or that so be it and the trus stat is wins and losses and they both give their team a chance of winning each Saturday.

 

[JacketVol]

Why don't you guys go to the ff forum and argue it out? Who cares one is the qb at ut and one is leaving college football. Prescott has had a good career and miss state has had a good run and up till this yr they had a better team which in turn has helped the qb perform better. Prescott will not be a pro qb of any value to a team as dobbs may not either. Whoever stats are this or that so be it and the trus stat is wins and losses and they both give their team a chance of winning each Saturday.

You know it is bad when someone with 222 posts since 2009 has to chime in to get it to stop.

 

[KBVol]

Why don't you guys go to the ff forum and argue it out? Who cares one is the qb at ut and one is leaving college football. Prescott has had a good career and miss state has had a good run and up till this yr they had a better team which in turn has helped the qb perform better. Prescott will not be a pro qb of any value to a team as dobbs may not either. Whoever stats are this or that so be it and the trus stat is wins and losses and they both give their team a chance of winning each Saturday.

Actually, the outstanding play of the QB helped the team to better perform. Ok, I'm done....😁

 

[Catbone]

When does the dead period end

 

[butchna]

You know it is bad when someone with 222 posts since 2009 has to chime in to get it to stop.

Don't know why Nate Johnson's thread became a shrine.

 

[butchna]

Why don't you guys go to the ff forum and argue it out? Who cares one is the qb at ut and one is leaving college football. Prescott has had a good career and miss state has had a good run and up till this yr they had a better team which in turn has helped the qb perform better. Prescott will not be a pro qb of any value to a team as dobbs may not either. Whoever stats are this or that so be it and the trus stat is wins and losses and they both give their team a chance of winning each Saturday.

I'm already here.

 

[JacketVol]

Don't know why Nate Johnson's thread became a shrine.

Not a shrine but it is not just this thread. He is bringing up Dobb discussions in several threads and you are just falling into making it a pain to have to read about it in so many different threads.

 

[butchna]

Not a shrine but it is not just this thread. He is bringing up Dobb discussions in several threads and you are just falling into making it a pain to have to read about it in so many different threads.

I don't draw a line EVERY TIME...decided to THIS TIME. You and 222 post guy bumped it to complain...think about it. :question:

 

[VolSteve]

When does the dead period end

Not soon enough! Tired of this cat fighting...oops.