'17 JUCO CB Keisean Nixon (South Carolina Commit 12/14/2016)

[volinexile17]

Do it the same way except where yours says url, change it to IMG

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

I for one am glad we hold the team to high standards. This is big boy football with big boy money involved. Win or get out, we have no reason not to.

What state do you live in?

 

[LaagerVol]

It takes time to build a winning program. Butch started with rubble. This year was gonna be the year until pre modonnas, injuries, and inexplicably poor defense tossed our season in the crapper. Butch was able to at least get us back to expecting high standards. No coach will ever succeed if we toss them to the curb everytime they hit a speedbump.

You mediocrity accepting sunshine pumper

 

[Glitch]

You mediocrity accepting sunshine pumper

Yeah. My optimism really drags the RF down. Thank goodness for the realists to bring the cloud of destruction and misery back and keep us from experiencing the slightest bit of hope for the future.

(Not directed at you LaagerVol)

 

[vol2002]

Oops. I was just making a couple of what I thought were benign observations. Didn't mean to create a flurry of negativity that caused anyone to quit volnation.

For the record I'm not a negavol and I want Butch Jones to be successful.

 

[BaldBiker]

Oops. I was just making a couple of what I thought were benign observations. Didn't mean to create a flurry of negativity that caused anyone to quit volnation.

For the record I'm not a negavol and I want Butch Jones to be successful.

You're good man. :good!:

 

[LaagerVol]

Oops. I was just making a couple of what I thought were benign observations. Didn't mean to create a flurry of negativity that caused anyone to quit volnation.

For the record I'm not a negavol and I want Butch Jones to be successful.

Nah man I don't think anyone minds people posting their opinions or observations. It's the ones who post the same negative garbage over and over in every thread that get tiresome. You're good.

 

[Vol464]

Nah man I don't think anyone minds people posting their opinions or observations. It's the ones who post the same negative garbage over and over in every thread that get tiresome. You're good.

Yes. Why is this so hard to understand? And what the heck do people get out of crying and complaining all the time? Sure as heck doesn't make the site more enjoyable.

 

[scvolfan7]

Butch losing to Vandy and USCe in his FOURTH year hurts recruiting a lot more than a few dumbass posts..

What's funny is how wrong this is. These kids care more about whether they know who is going to be their coach more than who said is beating (within reason of course; coach can't be losing like Dooley was). People in the know have said time and time again that this is the case but no one listens

 

[volnpowell]

Oh great - the annual 'the fans cause the program to lose' post(s). There are good reasons those posts happen, people become emotionally attached to mediocre to worse coaches and act like they are their family members. Yeah, it's our fault Butch, Dools and Fulmer blew it at various points. Had nothing to do with their incompetence that the entire country laughs about.

I am not one of the negative posters (I have posted negative things though), but to say fans are causing coaches and recruits is off imo, because I am sure any fan base of teams that care about program would be as critical as Tennessee fans. For example, I am sure when Alabama was down, their fan base was highly critical (did not have as much social media though back then)

Now if a coach wants a fan base with low expectations/not as passionate, go to Northwestern, Cal, Stanford, Utah, Wake Forest etc

The Tennessee, Florida, Florida State, Alabama, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan etc fan bases will be the same imo.

 

[volnpowell]

What's funny is how wrong this is. These kids care more about whether they know who is going to be their coach more than who said is beating (within reason of course; coach can't be losing like Dooley was). People in the know have said time and time again that this is the case but no one listens

First off, winning takes care of knowing who coach will be, not what fans say

Second who is your "people in the know", because I doubt they followed that statement with "fans are causing recruits not to know who coach will be thus losing recruits.

 

[vol2002]

Yes. Why is this so hard to understand? And what the heck do people get out of crying and complaining all the time? Sure as heck doesn't make the site more enjoyable.

I agree. I can understand being critical when warranted. But some people have an agenda they want to push. I think they must believe if they can convince enough fans to turn on Butch, attendance will drop and the AD will be forced to make a move. Problem is (among many) I'm not sure there is a sure- fire replacement for Butch. And while this season was disappointing and we have endured some head scratching losses in the Butch era, he's brought us a long way. I still think this season could have been much worse with the injuries (and would have been much better without them).

I'm anxious to see his offseason coaching moves. For some reason I've mentally written off recruiting a little bit - I just think it's going to be tough to land a truly elite class facing this much negative momentum. As long as we can get a few gems in this class it won't set us back.

 

[scvolfan7]

First off, winning takes care of knowing who coach will be, not what fans say

Second who is your "people in the know", because I doubt they followed that statement with "fans are causing recruits not to know who coach will be thus losing recruits.

Hubbs literally just posted about how we didn't get Nixon because of the negativity/uncertainty surrounding the program. Ainge and swain have also talked about how recruits care more about knowing who their coaches will be rather than wins. Why do you think a lot of coaching decisions with assistants happen after NSD? I agree winning is overall the key to this but the way fans talk about their program has a serious impact on how recruits perceive it as well

 

[volnpowell]

Hubbs literally just posted about how we didn't get Nixon because of the negativity/uncertainty surrounding the program. Ainge and swain have also talked about how recruits care more about knowing who their coaches will be rather than wins. Why do you think a lot of coaching decisions with assistants happen after NSD? I agree winning is overall the key to this but the way fans talk about their program has a serious impact on how recruits perceive it as well

I am not saying it helps or it does not sway a recruit here and there, but even teams that win lose coaches because other teams think that coach was a part of why that team won a lot, yet they just find another top coach to replace them and march on, like Alabama, Ohio State, Florida State, Clemson.

 

[scvolfan7]

I am not saying it helps or it does not sway a recruit here and there, but even teams that win lose coaches because other teams think that coach was a part of why that team won a lot, yet they just find another top coach to replace them and march on, like Alabama, Ohio State, Florida State, Clemson.

Right I agree but they often wait and make those changes after the ink dries

 

[Orange&White]

If recruits are worried and not committing now because they do not know who their coach will be, then why doesn't Butch just go ahead and announce who will be retained or added. It's been rumored that some of our staff are telling recruits they do not know if they'll be here to coach next year. In my opinion, other teams wait until NSD because coaches leaving isn't really an issue, well everybody knows at Tennessee it's currently an issue. I think we'd be better off just dealing with it now. I'd also assume Butch and others are forthright in telling recruits what to expect. They probably know more than we do.

Either way, I know relationships are important. But I love the recruits that commit to a school over the love for the program. Tennessee is special.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

If recruits are worried and not committing now because they do not know who their coach will be, then why doesn't Butch just go ahead and announce who will be retained or added. It's been rumored that some of our staff are telling recruits they do not know if they'll be here to coach next year. In my opinion, other teams wait until NSD because coaches leaving isn't really an issue, well everybody knows at Tennessee it's currently an issue. I think we'd be better off just dealing with it now. I'd also assume Butch and others are forthright in telling recruits what to expect. They probably know more than we do.

Either way, I know relationships are important. But I love the recruits that commit to a school over the love for the program. Tennessee is special.

Agreed. Recruits should commit to a school and not the coaching staff.

 

[The Breakerboy]

Yeah who's coaching a kid on the team doesn't matter now. You all are crazy. Lol Why should a kid commit to a school and he may not fit the coaches system or the new coaching staff that comes in system. This is CRAZY.....

 

[Orange&White]

Yeah who's coaching a kid on the team doesn't matter now. You all are crazy. Lol Why should a kid commit to a school and he may not fit the coaches system or the new coaching staff that comes in system. This is CRAZY.....

That's not at all what I am saying. I'm stating that if they in fact know that a certain coach is going to be gone or have a replacement then let it be known. I know relationships and coaches are important, but Tennessee isn't going to change much unless Butch is fired and we know that isn't happening.

 

[The Breakerboy]

That's not at all what I am saying. I'm stating that if they in fact know that a certain coach is going to be gone or have a replacement then let it be known. I know relationships and coaches are important, but Tennessee isn't going to change much unless Butch is fired and we know that isn't happening.

What about next year?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Yeah who's coaching a kid on the team doesn't matter now. You all are crazy. Lol Why should a kid commit to a school and he may not fit the coaches system or the new coaching staff that comes in system. This is CRAZY.....

Blah, blah, blah. We just need to remember that these are middle school kids who cannot handle new coaches or schemes.

So say a guy commits to Tennessee, then Butch goes to another university, should that recruit stay or follow Butch?

 

[Orange&White]

What about next year?

No, I totally agree with what you're saying. I know it influences their decisions and rightfully so. A lot of kids aren't going to want to attend school when it's uncertain who they'll be playing for, but we know Butch will be here and they have the ability to make an impact next season and help take Tennessee to the next level. Which ultimately will keep Butch his job. Also, I know positional coaches create great relationships with recruits, but if you're smart you see their weaknesses and if Tennessee brings in upgrades then as a player that makes me feel more comfortable choosing Tennessee since they are making decision to put the program in position for the best success.

I just hope that Butch is keeping recruits/commits more in the loop on what will happen within the staff regarding additions or terminations. It's one thing when a coach tells a kid I have no idea if I'll be here nor who is replacing me, and another when Butch can tell that recruit who that coach will be.

So I agree with your point, I just hope Butch is letting recruits/commits know what the future holds, at least in regards to assistants. My point was simply that I love recruits that choose Tennessee for being Tennessee and do not worry as much about changes. Obviously I know those are rare.

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

Difficult to see how any head coach survives at UT. This fan base is insane.

And this forum is one of the reasons. This environment is corrosive to any coach that does not beat Alabama or Florida. I live here in Alabama and I used to think their fans were the craziest. Not so.

Butch is a good coach but that is not good enough. Too bad, I am checking out of here for awhile. I pretty much stopped posting (never have posted much), but it is hard to read all this vitriol all the time. I'll check back in the spring and see who else has gone crazy.

BreakerBoy, you are an embarrassment to the fan base.

Freak, this could be a great site, and technically it is, but you allow way too much negative stuff with no way to reply, need the thumbs down button (don't like) as a way to brake some of these clowns.

Butch is a good coach? Bahahahaha

 

[BondJamesBond]

Can you give me a legit source that says tennessee fans hurt recruiting?

You are right, negative fans never hurt recruiting.

 

[Catbone]

You are right, negative fans never hurt recruiting.

So you don't have anything that says tennessee fans hurt the program. Yup. That's what I thought.