'17 LA RB Trey Coleman (UT signee)

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Darth_Shiveman said:
I want to preface this with the fact that I'm not a talent evaluator, so my opinion doesn't matter (like at all).

Everybody keeps calling this kid a bruiser and a power back, but when I watch his highlights I just don't see it. He has nice size and a good burst, but he seems to run out of bounds instead of fighting for extra yardage a lot. I understand counterarguments about prolonging careers and playing smart and whatnot, but I'm not sure I buy it with Coleman. If he won't fight for yardage against high school competition, what makes us think he can be anything like Hurd at the next level?

Hopefully I'm wrong and this kid has a role for us. But I'm honestly expecting Butch and co. to find another RB with more upside that they like more at some point between now and signing day.
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Well I'm certainly not on a Division I level, I can tell you that if you expect the kid to run over every would-be tackler, you're playing Madden.

The kid is more physically limited than our higher rated targets, but he's got great patience and change of direction in the hole, he's tough to bring down, and he's got adequate burst when he gets on the perimeter.

It also has to be said that West Monroe play at quite a high level of football, so it's likely pretty good ball players he's bouncing off of. As I said in a previous post, if you don't trust my evaluation, trust Bret Bielema's. He was after Trey pretty aggressively, and his programs have put out a good tailback or two.
 
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benholt06 said:
Well I'm certainly not on a Division I level, I can tell you that if you expect the kid to run over every would-be tackler, you're playing Madden.

The kid is more physically limited than our higher rated targets, but he's got great patience and change of direction in the hole, he's tough to bring down, and he's got adequate burst when he gets on the perimeter.

It also has to be said that West Monroe play at quite a high level of football, so it's likely pretty good ball players he's bouncing off of. As I said in a previous post, if you don't trust my evaluation, trust Bret Bielema's. He was after Trey pretty aggressively, and his programs have put out a good tailback or two.
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To be fair, that wasn't really my point. I don't expect him to run over everybody. But I do expect an SEC caliber RB who is supposed to project as a power back to lower his shoulder and finish his runs falling forward instead of darting out of bounds.

As for Bielema, he usually has productive RBs, but that doesn't necessarily mean he does a great job evaluating them and finding diamonds in the rough. The thing he does best is build an OL that any D1 RB could run through, which helps him bring in highly rated RBs every 2-3 years. It's not like he was the only coach who thought Alex Collins would be a great RB. Johnathon Williams wasn't a guy he recruited and brought in. Melvin Gordon, Montee Ball, and James White were all fringe 4* guys who ran behind an OL loaded with NFL talent in a conference that was down at the time.

It's not his rating that bothers me, either. I'm not a stargazer by any means. I just have a feeling that Coleman will end up being replaced by a RB with better upside (ratings be damned) by the end of this recruiting cycle.
 
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I haven't been following recruiting. Is this guy going to blue/grey shirt? Whatever the hell it is. Also, how is the recruiting process going with Cam Akers? We need another big time back in this years class.
 
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I would expect this kind of shizz in the FF but not from the sophisticated ladies and gentlemen in the RF.
 
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benholt06 said:
Well I'm certainly not on a Division I level, I can tell you that if you expect the kid to run over every would-be tackler, you're playing Madden.

The kid is more physically limited than our higher rated targets, but he's got great patience and change of direction in the hole, he's tough to bring down, and he's got adequate burst when he gets on the perimeter.

It also has to be said that West Monroe play at quite a high level of football, so it's likely pretty good ball players he's bouncing off of. As I said in a previous post, if you don't trust my evaluation, trust Bret Bielema's. He was after Trey pretty aggressively, and his programs have put out a good tailback or two.
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Very valid points
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
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Darth_Shiveman said:
To be fair, that wasn't really my point. I don't expect him to run over everybody. But I do expect an SEC caliber RB who is supposed to project as a power back to lower his shoulder and finish his runs falling forward instead of darting out of bounds.

As for Bielema, he usually has productive RBs, but that doesn't necessarily mean he does a great job evaluating them and finding diamonds in the rough. The thing he does best is build an OL that any D1 RB could run through, which helps him bring in highly rated RBs every 2-3 years. It's not like he was the only coach who thought Alex Collins would be a great RB. Johnathon Williams wasn't a guy he recruited and brought in. Melvin Gordon, Montee Ball, and James White were all fringe 4* guys who ran behind an OL loaded with NFL talent in a conference that was down at the time.

It's not his rating that bothers me, either. I'm not a stargazer by any means. I just have a feeling that Coleman will end up being replaced by a RB with better upside (ratings be damned) by the end of this recruiting cycle.
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A "power backs" strength is at the los not the sideline. Just look at Nick Chubb. He may have got another half yard while he was being gang tackled but paid the price and ultimately hurt the team in the long run. Behind the first down marker is where a ball carries fights for the extra yard along the sideline but beyond that, after a runner has gained 20+, it would be pointless to take on multiple tacklers and risk injury. IMO.
Coleman may be replaced but I'm happy to have him now since other RB aren't exactly beating on our door to play for us.
 
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Ok here is my thinking. Butch has been wrong about more 4 and 5 stars than he has 3 stars. He has not swung and missed much when he takes 3 stars. Emmanuel mosely wasn't even a 3 star, and he is a starting corner as a junior beating out 4 star Justin Martin. Butch has been pretty money taking lower ranked players, and then they turn out to be good!
 
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Mick said:
A "power backs" strength is at the los not the sideline. Just look at Nick Chubb. He may have got another half yard while he was being gang tackled but paid the price and ultimately hurt the team in the long run. Behind the first down marker is where a ball carries fights for the extra yard along the sideline but beyond that, after a runner has gained 20+, it would be pointless to take on multiple tacklers and risk injury. IMO.
Coleman may be replaced but I'm happy to have him now since other RB aren't exactly beating on our door to play for us.
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Chubb had a freak injury.

Give me a power back who fights for every possible yard he can get and wears down defenders. Not one who steps out of bounds after he gets a first down.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Chubb had a freak injury.

Give me a power back who fights for every possible yard he can get and wears down defenders. Not one who steps out of bounds after he gets a first down.
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Remember the coaches not being too pleased when Brice Brown stepped out of bounds - man that seems ages ago.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Chubb had a freak injury.

Give me a power back who fights for every possible yard he can get and wears down defenders. Not one who steps out of bounds after he gets a first down.
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If we do manage to sign him I think you will be pleased. We have a great RB coach. If it's a problem when he steps on campus it will be fixed. I'm OK with him running out of bounds in High School and not taking unnecessary hits. On the flip side seeing him bulldoze some DBs would be more exciting.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I want to preface this with the fact that I'm not a talent evaluator, so my opinion doesn't matter (like at all).

Everybody keeps calling this kid a bruiser and a power back, but when I watch his highlights I just don't see it. He has nice size and a good burst, but he seems to run out of bounds instead of fighting for extra yardage a lot. I understand counterarguments about prolonging careers and playing smart and whatnot, but I'm not sure I buy it with Coleman. If he won't fight for yardage against high school competition, what makes us think he can be anything like Hurd at the next level?

Hopefully I'm wrong and this kid has a role for us. But I'm honestly expecting Butch and co. to find another RB with more upside that they like more at some point between now and signing day.
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I was actually referencing kind of how he looks to me while running. He may not be a bruiser at all, but he has the frame for it I think. He will have to bulk up like Hurd did. But I mostly see the same things you do, hence the ambiguity in my feelings on this kid. One thing that sticks in my mind is, we are watching his highlite reel runs. It doesn't show us his 1-5 yard type runs. I would like to see how he attacks a stacked up defense myself. Does he punish defenders? Does he lay violent blocks? These are good questions.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I was actually referencing kind of how he looks to me while running. He may not be a bruiser at all, but he has the frame for it I think. He will have to bulk up like Hurd did. But I mostly see the same things you do, hence the ambiguity in my feelings on this kid. One thing that sticks in my mind is, we are watching his highlite reel runs. It doesn't show us his 1-5 yard type runs. I would like to see how he attacks a stacked up defense myself. Does he punish defenders? Does he lay violent blocks? These are good questions.
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Inquiring minds want to know
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I was actually referencing kind of how he looks to me while running. He may not be a bruiser at all, but he has the frame for it I think. He will have to bulk up like Hurd did. But I mostly see the same things you do, hence the ambiguity in my feelings on this kid. One thing that sticks in my mind is, we are watching his highlite reel runs. It doesn't show us his 1-5 yard type runs. I would like to see how he attacks a stacked up defense myself. Does he punish defenders? Does he lay violent blocks? These are good questions.
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These are things I'd be interested to see as well.
 
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