'17 TN ATH Jacoby Stevens (LSU commit)

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KBVol said:
What does Harbaugh coaching in an NFLSuperbowl have to do with being able to out outrecruit Saban?

Harbaugh is in year 2 at Michigan and hasn't won anything yet......while Saban has won 4 of the last 7 titles and is the Gold Standard of college football coaches....maybe that's why.

Also, are you suggesting Bama has rampant PED use or something? They pay their S&C coaching $600k a year, they're serious about winning down there. By contrast, for example, we're paying ours $60k. Perhaps that explains a good bit of it.

Did you watch the LSU - Bama game? Both teams were playing with essentially the same athletes, final score was 10-0. Is LSU handing out PEDs to their kids too?

I can't stand Bama either, but come on. Saban is innovative down there, is totally committed to winning with how he's structured every facet of his program. Even in winning, he's been more than willing to change things to stay ahead of the pack, not stubbornly stick with his system and try and put square pegs in round holes (cough...Butch Jones....cough).

I suspect those are the most likely reasons why they're winning so much more than most down in Tuscaloosa, not just because they have bagmen and steroid peddlers running rampant
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We have always paid a permanent S&C coach more than 60K. Quit making stuff up out of thin air.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Nope. Name 3 starters on LSU's defense that would start at Bama.

Then name an offensive player other than the RB position.
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Defense: White, Adams, Beckwith

Offense: Ethan Pocic. Also LSU's WR's Dupree and Dural are dang good! They have just had average and bad QB's passing to them their whole career. One of them would start and the other would get a good amount of Playing time
 
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Dooby15 said:
I honestly think Saban is running a clean program. He knows it's not worth it to tarnish his career. I don't like it as much as the next Vol fan, but the guy will probably go down as the best coach in CFB history.
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You are extremely naive, if you truly believe this.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Defense: White, Adams, Beckwith

Offense: Ethan Pocic. Also LSU's WR's Dupree and Dural are dang good! They have just had average and bad QB's passing to them their whole career. One of them would start and the other would get a good amount of Playing time
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Adams over who?
Beckwith over Foster?

I'll give you White and Pocic. I wouldn't start any LSU WR over Ridley or Stewart. Quite frankly their stats are down because their QB can't throw either.

4 definite players out of 22 starters is a sad argument.
 
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Dooby15 said:
I honestly think Saban is running a clean program. He knows it's not worth it to tarnish his career. I don't like it as much as the next Vol fan, but the guy will probably go down as the best coach in CFB history.
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Saban will go down as one of the best coaches in college football, but as far running a clean program, absolutely not. If Alabama was held to a standard that other teams are held to. Look at Clinton Dix and Maurice Couch, exact same offense Mo Couch was dismissed, Dix was not. The fact is that Alabama being good makes money for college football as a whole. That's why they get away with blatant penalties in games. Multiple players can be arrested for different charges and never be dismissed. Alabama is above the law.
 
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In the early Saban years we had the internet photos of Bama players fanning cash and driving expensive SUVs. There was the clothes for autographs deal that went unpunished even though it was highly public. There's been suggestion that maybe some shady stuff went down the first couple of years but once the process was established there was no need to skirt rules because winning championships became self perpetuating. But then you have recent events like Dee Liner's cash fan and Freitag's mysterious avoidance of criminal charges after the seizure of several thousand dollars and marijuana from his dorm room. Every program's gonna wind up with some bad apples. Maybe Saban is running a clean program, but I doubt it. There's too many great schools with winning traditions, rabid fanbases, and facilities as good as or even better than Bama's for Bama to be steamrolling the entire NCAA in recruiting the way they have the past few years. Eventually, they'll get busted again and they can go back to blaming someone else for ratting them out.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Im not sure that's the case. They played Buchannan. You think the coaching staff believes that Osborne is better but played Buchannan instead? No, obviously they believed that Buchannan was most ready to replace the Cam when he got injured. Turns out he wasn't ready yet either
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In 4 years worth games and recruiting classes if moseley and foreman are best corners we have then they have seriously blown Cb recruiting.. it's disgusting
 
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MADISONGAVOL said:
In 4 years worth games and recruiting classes if moseley and foreman are best corners we have then they have seriously blown Cb recruiting.. it's disgusting
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Development is definitely an issue that I hope Butch addresses in the off season with staff changes
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Development is definitely an issue that I hope Butch addresses in the off season with staff changes
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Someone was griping about Deborah. In my opinion Mahoney and Martinez are 1a and 1b that have go they are absolutely terrible. Vanda and Kentucky position groups are better than ours with half literally half the talent. That's a catastrophic problem. Just my opinion
 
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Dooby15 said:
Agree to disagree. How Saban handles his players getting arrested I don't agree with. However, I do not think that Saban knowingly allows kids to be paid or take PED.
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Lol...you are truly naive. I promise you that a lot of those players on that roster are on salary.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Nope. Name 3 starters on LSU's defense that would start at Bama.

Then name an offensive player other than the RB position.
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Adams at safety. Dupree at WR. Guice or Fournette at running back. There's 3/4.

I'm not familiar at all with LSU's interior linemen on either side of the ball, there's likely somebody there as well.

What I do know for sure is what I saw with my own eyes a few weeks ago. And that was LSU essentially matching Bama athlete for athlete all over the field. The one place they were badly overmatched at was, surprise, quarterback. Etling didn't give LSU a chance to win what turned out to be a 10-0 game.

What we saw when Tennessee played Bama was one roster that was light years ahead of the other, hence the 39 point loss by the Vols. Versus LSU however, Bama had only a marginally better roster...hence the 10 point difference.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Not at all. Just telling you that it happens.
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I don't doubt that it happens at Bama or anywhere for that matter. I just don't think Saban is running a big underground system of paying players and using PEDs. I think he's a great coach that has adapted over time as the game has adapted. For example, he went and got faster linebackers like Foster to deal with the spread O that use to give them so much trouble. Paying players doesn't automatically equal success, see Ole Miss.
 
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Dooby15 said:
I don't doubt that it happens at Bama or anywhere for that matter. I just don't think Saban is running a big underground system of paying players and using PEDs. I think he's a great coach that has adapted over time as the game has adapted. For example, he went and got faster linebackers like Foster to deal with the spread O that use to give them so much trouble. Paying players doesn't automatically equal success, see Ole Miss.
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Why do all those 260 lb running backs that run 4.29 fourties flame out once they get to the league?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Why do all those 260 lb running backs that run 4.29 fourties flame out once they get to the league?
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Well they all haven't flamed out. Henry is doing well, Ingram has done fair, Lacey has done fair, Richardson flamed out. Also, they don't have the dominant O line in the NFL that they do in college. A lot of factors there including work ethic after college.
 
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KBVol said:
Adams at safety. Dupree at WR. Guice or Fournette at running back. There's 3/4.

I'm not familiar at all with LSU's interior linemen on either side of the ball, there's likely somebody there as well.

What I do know for sure is what I saw with my own eyes a few weeks ago. And that was LSU essentially matching Bama athlete for athlete all over the field. The one place they were badly overmatched at was, surprise, quarterback. Etling didn't give LSU a chance to win what turned out to be a 10-0 game.

What we saw when Tennessee played Bama was one roster that was light years ahead of the other, hence the 39 point loss by the Vols. Versus LSU however, Bama had only a marginally better roster...hence the 10 point difference.
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You absolutely are insane to take Dupre over Stewart or Ridley. Adams over Harrison or Fitzpatrick???

And Fitz is a backup because Eddie Jackson got hurt. Bama's backups are better than good team's starters.

I gave you RB but that margin is slim also. I'll give you the Center and White. Bama didn't destroy them because they lost the turnover battle, fumbled a 4th and goal, missed FG's and knew LSU could do nothing offensively.

Here's the difference:

QB
WR
WR
TE
OL
OL
OL
OL

DE
DT
DT
DE
LB
LB
NB
CB
Safety
Safety

Even if we called Adams a push it's really not close.
 
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