'18 FL CB Jordan Miner

#376
#376
wtorange said:
Our current nutritionist is extremely well thought of.
Click to expand...

I know she is but was a change and the other one was blown up about how she was one of the best in the business. Part of why she left was bigger and better job offers. I think we are fine but players have to do right on their own time as well.
 
#377
#377
JacketVol said:
I know she is but was a change and the other one was blown up about how she was one of the best in the business. Part of why she left was bigger and better job offers. I think we are fine but players have to do right on their own time as well.
Click to expand...

If they don't run them extra. Problem solved 😎😎😎😎
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#378
#378
I hope Miner chooses us tomorrow. Imagine Landing Gerald, Miner, and Emerson all in one week .
 
#381
#381
JacketVol said:
Agreed. S&C is what killed us which I think goes hand in hand with the discipline problems.
Click to expand...

Couldn't agree more...noticeable drop off in both last year...and I believe Butch has addressed the issue with a great hire
 
#382
#382
The Breakerboy said:
Not having a real S&C coach was a real failure last year. He fixed that problem tremendously but the major fail wasn't hard to see.
Click to expand...

Posted this in this very thread a while back, still believe it to be true.

This was the biggest issue for me last year. From the first game (I was there) we looked weak and was not physical at all. The players spend more time with the S&C coach in the offseason and I believe that's were that "dog" mentality is formed and we lacked that last year. Not to mention the players wasn't physically ready to withstand the grind of the season.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#383
#383
Blake25p said:
Posted this in this very thread a while back, still believe it to be true.

This was the biggest issue for me last year. From the first game (I was there) we looked weak and was not physical at all. The players spend more time with the S&C coach in the offseason and I believe that's were that "dog" mentality is formed and we lacked that last year. Not to mention the players wasn't physically ready to withstand the grind of the season.
Click to expand...

Uga pushed us around bad with their terrible ol.....just terrible sc hire butch made then
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#385
#385
The Breakerboy said:
The guys looked soft or husky. There were hardly any guys that looked like improved athletes either.
Click to expand...

Totally agree. By far the biggest fail of last season. Our guys were in awful physical shape last season and it was evident from the first snap and like I've said many times, it almost assuredly was a huge factor in so many injuries. Without question it cost us the East and probably a 10-2 / 11-1 record.
 
#386
#386
Montrell Hardy said:
Totally agree. By far the biggest fail of last season. Our guys were in awful physical shape last season and it was evident from the first snap and like I've said many times, it almost assuredly was a huge factor in so many injuries. Without question it cost us the East and probably a 10-2 / 11-1 record.
Click to expand...

Yep, as bad as Fulmer's last year - where Ramon Foster said during summer workouts that players would walk in and tell Coach (Long?) that they didn't feel like lifting today - and he would say OK and send them on their way.
 
#387
#387
BigorangeBoy said:
Yep, as bad as Fulmer's last year - where Ramon Foster said during summer workouts that players would walk in and tell Coach (Long?) that they didn't feel like lifting today - and he would say OK and send them on their way.
Click to expand...

Don't recall hearing that under Fulmer. I do recall an OL under Dooley say that all they had to do to workout was sign a sheet without supervision. Guys would just sign in and leave.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#388
#388
VolGee4 said:
Don't recall hearing that under Fulmer. I do recall an OL under Dooley say that all they had to do to workout was sign a sheet without supervision. Guys would just sign in and leave.
Click to expand...

I used to train with Louis Sharpe, who ran track at UT before transferring to Ohio State. He lived with Ramon and told me this was going on the 2007-2008 year. Those last few years discipline went to hell, and we saw it.
 
#389
#389
VolGee4 said:
Don't recall hearing that under Fulmer. I do recall an OL under Dooley say that all they had to do to workout was sign a sheet without supervision. Guys would just sign in and leave.
Click to expand...

Yet that was Jones' best OL and probably the only one that pretty much kept the same starters all season. Maybe the S&C coaches should have to sign the Hippocratic Oath? First rule... don't make it worse.
 
#393
#393
Good luck to him. His decision makes Horn an even bigger need for us now. We have to get at least 1-2 elite DBs this class.
 
#395
#395
Really doubt this sticks.

Far from home. Cold. Penn State going to take at least a small step backwards.
 
#396
#396
Montrell Hardy said:
Totally agree. By far the biggest fail of last season. Our guys were in awful physical shape last season and it was evident from the first snap and like I've said many times, it almost assuredly was a huge factor in so many injuries. Without question it cost us the East and probably a 10-2 / 11-1 record.
Click to expand...

They act like I'm talking crazy about the athletes nutrition but Alabama doesn't play that nonsense. And you can see it on the field. If some of the posters watched how the workout they wouldn't accuse them of being on juice like that either. They take a big guy like a Tuttle or KMack and turn them into a monster. It's not hard though when they are already naturally strong. They can handle the high rep numbers they give to them. Our guys will look drastically different this Fall. The Spring Game showed me enough. Our players looked much better just athletically. I would bank on KMack not being a soft 315-320 this year.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#397
#397
The Breakerboy said:
They act like I'm talking crazy about the athletes nutrition but Alabama doesn't play that nonsense. And you can see it on the field. If some of the posters watched how the workout they wouldn't accuse them of being on juice like that either. They take a big guy like a Tuttle or KMack and turn them into a monster. It's not hard though when they are already naturally strong. They can handle the high rep numbers they give to them. Our guys will look drastically different this Fall. The Spring Game showed me enough. Our players looked much better just athletically. I would bank on KMack not being a soft 315-320 this year.
Click to expand...

The only crazy talk is when you wrote it was a major fail of not having a nutrition program. They had one. The complete fail was S&C. You may have not meant it and it was a mistake BUT that was what people were questioning.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#398
#398
JacketVol said:
The only crazy talk is when you wrote it was a major fail of not having a nutrition program. They had one. The complete fail was S&C. You may have not meant it and it was a mistake BUT that was what people were questioning.
Click to expand...


I have watched this debate silently for several days. I will add something I know, rather than an observation or opinion.

The nutrition program definitely existed. This was confirmed by a UT athlete who ate at the training table with other athletes including football. However, they also confirmed that while their coaches and staff enforced the nutrition plan, it was generally known among the athletes that it was NOT enforced with the football players. They observed this repeatedly much to their dismay not only for their own plight, but for the inevitable impact on the team and thus the department.

That is a fact. When the other athletes in the department see the problem and will speak of it openly despite the fact that they are lifelong football fans, there is a problem. So before you crucify BB, you might want to consider that athletes inside the program agree with his observation.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#399
#399
vol9799 said:
I have watched this debate silently for several days. I will add something I know, rather than an observation or opinion.

The nutrition program definitely existed. This was confirmed by a UT athlete who ate at the training table with other athletes including football. However, they also confirmed that while their coaches and staff enforced the nutrition plan, it was generally known among the athletes that it was NOT enforced with the football players. They observed this repeatedly much to their dismay not only for their own plight, but for the inevitable impact on the team and thus the department.

That is a fact. When the other athletes in the department see the problem and will speak of it openly despite the fact that they are lifelong football fans, there is a problem. So before you crucify BB, you might want to consider that athletes inside the program agree with his observation.
Click to expand...

It was not a crucifixion. It was what was written about not having one. We did have the lady who was given a lot of credit leave. What you are saying makes sense because it appears a lot of things were put in the hands of the players and this doesn't surprise because a change occurred at the top. Saying we had a poorly run nutrition program is different than none at all.

Thanks for sharing and crap like this better get fixed just like the S&C or Jones will and should be toast.
 
#400
#400
vol9799 said:
I have watched this debate silently for several days. I will add something I know, rather than an observation or opinion.

The nutrition program definitely existed. This was confirmed by a UT athlete who ate at the training table with other athletes including football. However, they also confirmed that while their coaches and staff enforced the nutrition plan, it was generally known among the athletes that it was NOT enforced with the football players. They observed this repeatedly much to their dismay not only for their own plight, but for the inevitable impact on the team and thus the department.

That is a fact. When the other athletes in the department see the problem and will speak of it openly despite the fact that they are lifelong football fans, there is a problem. So before you crucify BB, you might want to consider that athletes inside the program agree with his observation.
Click to expand...

Interesting convo...
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top