'18 FL CB Tanner Ingle (UT commit 6/19/17)

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I kind of see both sides of this. I do think 2016 will go down as an aberration for Shoop, but he has admitted he should have done a better job adapting to the players he had to work with as the season went on.

When you see the kind of injuries we had on the DL (specifically at DT), at some point you've gotta realize a big chunk of your base plays and packages become somewhat useless. In a tough situation like we saw in 2016, a great DC will go to the drawing board, ask "what are the guys I have to play with capable of doing well?" and put in some special packages that only ask guys to do things they're capable of executing.

I get that no DC wants to scrap his system, but when you're giving up 400 rushing yards in back to back games, it should become obvious that your players just can't do what you're asking them to do and that it's time to hit the drawing board.


The fact that Shoop has admitted he should have made more adjustments is very telling, IMO. Self awareness is an important trait for coaches. My big question, looking back on the season, is: why he was so hesitant to adapt and make changes during the season?

Was it just a stubborn belief that his system could trump personnel deficiencies?

Did he not want to sacrifice long-term player development in his system for short term results on the field?

Did he not have faith in the staff around him to help him make the necessary changes?

Was he facing pressure from Butch to stay the course?


We'll likely never know unless a few years down the road a memoir is written, but I'd love to know the answers to those questions.

I believe it was a perfect storm combining all the problems you mentioned. I hope that never happens again.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Shoop deserves a lot of the blame for some of that vanilla crap I saw us running at times and how our guys don't disguise blitzes. We've got to do better overall. I personally think the LBs aren't coached well though. That position just isn't physical at all at the point of attack. When is the last time a UT LB smacked a blocker in the mouth? Maybe Bituli will be the one to do it but it's ridiculous that our guys didn't make more plays and a guy like Jumper is still starting in Jones Year No.5. Injuries are one thing but he still shouldn't have been the starter by now.

I think Thig's charges are going gave to show improvement this year or he needs to go. He doesn't seem to be doing much in recruiting anymore either, so what is his value? He is the last weak link on staff IMO.

 

[butchna]

I think Thig's charges are going gave to show improvement this year or he needs to go. He doesn't seem to be doing much in recruiting anymore either, so what is his value? He is the last weak link on staff IMO.

I think Hoke adds an extra eye there. If anything, he has Butch's ear if he finds Thig deficient in the teaching aspect.

 

[Orange&White]

I think Thig's charges are going gave to show improvement this year or he needs to go. He doesn't seem to be doing much in recruiting anymore either, so what is his value? He is the last weak link on staff IMO.

It's interesting you say that, I was thinking the same thing. Our LB play has not been that good at all and we have not really developed anybody at that position since he has been here either. His recruiting is not bringing in elite LBs. He always seems to be mentioned by a recruit, but he is rarely the primary recruiter on our primary targets. It seems like he is just along for the ride and not very active or engaged in contributing much to it. I'd like to see him step it up and see the LBs take a big step forward under his leadership this season.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Weighed in at 5-9, 180 at The Opening Regional Orlando in February. Ran a 4.50 40 & 4.15 shuttle, also recorded a 35" vertical & 34' power ball toss.

Tanner Ingle recently posted a comment on his Twitter feed, “Someone please tell me when height started determining how good you are at football.” It’s not just a Tweet or random comment. It drives the Dr. Phillips defensive back, all 5-foot-10, 185-pounds of him. He’s arguably the best all-around football player in Central Florida and one of the best in the talent-rich state of Florida.

Ingle had an impressive junior season, during which he showed both his defensive prowess along with his athletic skills as a kick returner. He was Dr. Phillips’ fifth-leading tackler, averaging five tackles a game. He also had two interceptions, one of which he returned 105 yards for a touchdown. He had eight pass deflections, 10 tackles for loss and 519 yards in total kickoff- and punt-return yardage. Ingle averaged 19.7 yards on 12 punt returns, 35.2 yards on eight kickoff returns and had six combined return touchdowns.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/florida-recruiting/blog/os-sp-recruiting-insider-chris-hays-tanner-ingle-20170604-story.html

"He made a lot of plays as a sophomore last year," Dr. Phillips coach Rodney Wells said last month. "Now the things he's doing, I hadn't seen done ever before here at Dr. Phillips." Wells refers to Ingle as "an all-around great kid" with great character who is "the epitome of what we try to do" at Dr. Phillips. "He's one of those players that you can't find anywhere else," Green said. "He's rare, he's one of a kind and real explosive. You can put him anywhere and he'll make plays."
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/highschool/os-hs-tanner-ingle-olympia-dp-1021-20161020-story.html

From the Adidas 3 Stripe Elite Camp 2 weeks ago:
https://n.rivals.com/news/takeaways-from-the-adidas-3-stripe-elite-camp-in-georgia

"One of the day’s biggest stars, Orlando-area defensive back Tanner Ingle, added offers from Mercer and Indiana, and it seems as if N.C. State will be joining his list soon as well. Ingle is a classic case of a highly productive player who is under recruited because of his size, but when given the chance to showcase his skills in front of coaches he excels and ends up getting the recognition he’s earned." - Woody Wommack

So basically he's a badass football player who happens to be a little on the small side which likely makes him work harder and play with a huge chip on his shoulder? Glad he's going to be a Vol.

 

[bignewt]

darren sproles up in here

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Wonder if we can put him at slot WR even?

 

[tn4elvis]

So basically he's a badass football player who happens to be a little on the small side which likely makes him work harder and play with a huge chip on his shoulder? Glad he's going to be a Vol.

I second that.I like guys who play a little pissed off.

 

[ALLVOL 4LIFE]

Shouldn't have ever been starting.....

This really goes back to a post I made in another thread. The days we had great LB's, they we basically larger running back that was extremely physical. That's what we need to get back to getting. Our staff tries to recruit LB's or bulk up a DB. I'd rather have that big fast guy that was a RB and make him a LB.

 

[chavisut]

This really goes back to a post I made in another thread. The days we had great LB's, they we basically larger running back that was extremely physical. That's what we need to get back to getting. Our staff tries to recruit LB's or bulk up a DB. I'd rather have that big fast guy that was a RB and make him a LB.

Most of those guys played both ways though.

 

[Go Fight Win]

Honey badger was small

 

[LaagerVol]

Shouldn't have ever been starting.....

But he had 11 tackles 8-10 yards down the field against Uga......

 

[bignewt]

Honey badger was small

He also has time to get bigger he is only what? 17?

 

[butchna]

But he had 11 tackles 8-10 yards down the field against Uga......

Coulda used some of those instead of the 40+ down the fielders later in the season.

 

[Volzfan38024]

Kid is gone if Florida, FSU, or Miami offer.

 

[The Dog]

Kid is gone if Florida, FSU, or Miami offer.

And u know this how?

And who liked that?

 

[The Dog]

This really goes back to a post I made in another thread. The days we had great LB's, they we basically larger running back that was extremely physical. That's what we need to get back to getting. Our staff tries to recruit LB's or bulk up a DB. I'd rather have that big fast guy that was a RB and make him a LB.

Anthony Grant is exactly who u are describing. Watch his junior highlights and see if u don't agree

 

[Volzfan38024]

There's an article that says he's committed, but if one of the 3 in State schools offered, he would have to take a look at them.

 

[The Dog]

There's an article that says he's committed, but if one of the 3 in State schools offered, he would have to take a look at them.

I just, hadn't heard that. It doesn't surprise me. Hopefully, he is loyal. I like this kid

 

[Ethan Hooper]

And u know this how?

And who liked that?

He doesn't. He's just saying that because Ingle said he might visit a couple other schools if they offer. It's the VN way. Take the one bad quote from an article full of positive ones and blow it way out of proportion. He probably thought Gray would be at FSU by now and Martinez would be committed to Oklahoma.

 

[E20volfan]

Honey badger was small

JJ McCleskey did pretty well as and undersized DB as well.

 

[Montrell Hardy]

Shouldn't have ever been starting.....

This. Our whole situation at LB is a total cluster right now.

 

[drvenner]

There's an article that says he's committed, but if one of the 3 in State schools offered, he would have to take a look at them.

Backpeddle, much? It's a big difference from "kid is gone" to "take a look at them."

 

[Volzfan38024]

Backpeddle, much? It's a big difference from "kid is gone" to "take a look at them."

Backpeddle? I said if. I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong point.

 

[drvenner]

I comprehend very well. You said he is gone if they offer, then you said he would have to look at other schools if they offer. Big difference. I am sorry that writing for comprehension is not your strong suit.