'18 LA TE Glenn Beal (Texas A&M signee)

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butchna said:
Tatum was highly recruited...Gators went all out. And Calbert was a take for SC. Both needed RS years. Tatum for his weight and Calbert for his injury. Only one got that. I don’t consider them projects.
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Then we disagree.

Tatum was a 3 star who needed at least 40 to 50lbs and a couple of developmental years before he was gonna be ready to play. That’s the very definition of a “project” recruit.

Not saying he wasn’t talented, he had a nice offer list....but anybody who recruited him was doing so based on his future potential, not because he was ready to play D1 SEC football. And if you’re projecting what a guy will be after having to put that much weight on him, I think that squarely drops him into the “project” category.

Calbert was coming off a couple of knee injuries out of high school, he was a gamble of a signing to even begin with. Again, “project” imo.

Niehaus, same thing, not big or strong enough, would take a ton of work and a lot of time to see if he can play here. And Brooks....when you take a 230lb, oft-injured high school TE and try to convert him to a 285 lb OT, that screams yet another “project” to me.

I understand the time-honored and oftentimes correct process of redshirting your freshmen OLs because most need a year in the weight room, need to gain significant strength and in some cases need to add 10-15 good pounds. But when you’re having to put 30, 40, 50 pounds on a high school kid, or even put a kid in a protracted, intense rehab program because of multiple injuries incurred in high school, you’re gambling and hoping he can become a player in the future that he’s currently not...or you’re hoping and gambling he’ll one day get healthy enough to play even though his health history tells you he never will (see Hall, Chance).

All this, just my opinion of course.
 
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KBVol said:
Then we disagree.

Tatum was a 3 star who needed at least 40 to 50lbs and a couple of developmental years before he was gonna be ready to play. That’s the very definition of a “project” recruit.

Not saying he wasn’t talented, he had a nice offer list....but anybody who recruited him was doing so based on his future potential, not because he was ready to play D1 SEC football. And if you’re projecting what a guy will be after having to put that much weight on him, I think that squarely drops him into the “project” category.

Calbert was coming off a couple of knee injuries out of high school, he was a gamble of a signing to even begin with. Again, “project” imo.

Niehaus, same thing, not big or strong enough, would take a ton of work and a lot of time to see if he can play here. And Brooks....when you take a 230lb, oft-injured high school TE and try to convert him to a 285 lb OT, that screams yet another “project” to me.

I understand the time-honored and oftentimes correct process of redshirting your freshmen OLs because most need a year in the weight room, need to gain significant strength and in some cases need to add 10-15 good pounds. But when you’re having to put 30, 40, 50 pounds on a high school kid, or even put a kid in a protracted, intense rehab program because of multiple injuries incurred in high school, you’re gambling and hoping he can become a player in the future that he’s currently not...or you’re hoping and gambling he’ll one day get healthy enough to play even though his health history tells you he never will (see Hall, Chance).

All this, just my opinion of course.
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Brooks was brought in as a TE. He just outgrew the position.
 
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Agree with KBVol on Tatum. He was considered a nice prospect, but was something like 6'6' and 255 lbs. That's a guy that has the frame to be a pro OT, but you realize you are going to need to bulk him up to 300+ before he can compete in the SEC, so probably not going to be effective until he's a (redshirt) junior. That's the way it would have worked in a perfect world, but instead he got thrown out there against Alabama in his freshman year because of injuries and got massacred. That potential is still there, and he might achieve it by the time he leaves, but I never thought of him as ever intended to be a day one starter the way Trey Smith was or we thought Drew Richmond could be.
 
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vol2002 said:
K'Rojhn Calbert, Tennessee, Offensive Tackle

He’s an x-factor for me. Huge and supposedly moves well, but like many Butch recruits he has an injury history. If he could stay healthy he might do well in this offense.
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Big time potential if he can get healthy. Has the size we want/need. Barton said he can be 1st rd OT iwith his skill set if he can get right. He is one of those looks the part like trey
 
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PA Vol said:
Who is Calbert? I honestly can't remember this guy.
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he is a 6ft 5 inch 315lb OL from Tennessee. Was a kind of late find and needed to be red shirted last year because of injury. Good feet and could be a really good player this year.
 
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KBVol said:
Then we disagree.

Tatum was a 3 star who needed at least 40 to 50lbs and a couple of developmental years before he was gonna be ready to play. That’s the very definition of a “project” recruit.

Not saying he wasn’t talented, he had a nice offer list....but anybody who recruited him was doing so based on his future potential, not because he was ready to play D1 SEC football. And if you’re projecting what a guy will be after having to put that much weight on him, I think that squarely drops him into the “project” category.

Calbert was coming off a couple of knee injuries out of high school, he was a gamble of a signing to even begin with. Again, “project” imo.

Niehaus, same thing, not big or strong enough, would take a ton of work and a lot of time to see if he can play here. And Brooks....when you take a 230lb, oft-injured high school TE and try to convert him to a 285 lb OT, that screams yet another “project” to me.

I understand the time-honored and oftentimes correct process of redshirting your freshmen OLs because most need a year in the weight room, need to gain significant strength and in some cases need to add 10-15 good pounds. But when you’re having to put 30, 40, 50 pounds on a high school kid, or even put a kid in a protracted, intense rehab program because of multiple injuries incurred in high school, you’re gambling and hoping he can become a player in the future that he’s currently not...or you’re hoping and gambling he’ll one day get healthy enough to play even though his health history tells you he never will (see Hall, Chance).

All this, just my opinion of course.
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Yeah...we'll disagree. Won't be the first. :wink2: To me, "projects" aren't high school players needing some physical development to play the SAME POSITION in college. And the 3 star rating is irrelevant. See Orlando Brown to refute both.
 
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d3ft punk said:
Brooks was brought in as a TE. He just outgrew the position.
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Was he? They very quickly identified him as a player to beef up and slide down to tackle. Not sure that wasn’t the plan from Day 1. Brooks seemed to more fit mold that the previous staff seemed to love, of getting undersized guys at OT and putting a ton of weight on them. Tatum, Niehaus, Brooks and eventually Antonutti.
 
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rcrrcr said:
he is a 6ft 5 inch 315lb OL from Tennessee. Was a kind of late find and needed to be red shirted last year because of injury. Good feet and could be a really good player this year.
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Good thing he was hurt tonget the RS otherwise Butch would’ve played him.
 
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KBVol said:
Was he? They very quickly identified him as a player to beef up and slide down to tackle. Not sure that wasn’t the plan from Day 1. Brooks seemed to more fit mold that the previous staff seemed to love, of getting undersized guys at OT and putting a ton of weight on them. Tatum, Niehaus, Brooks and eventually Antonutti.
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I think he was recruited as a TE even after his second ACL tear. However, when he arrived, he had lost a lot of his speed and agility and hey tried to beef him up and use him as an OT.
 
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butchna said:
Tatum was highly recruited...Gators went all out. And Calbert was a take for SC. Both needed RS years. Tatum for his weight and Calbert for his injury. Only one got that. I don’t consider them projects.
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Tatum was a project just based on weight, he has had two full seasons now and he still is way below the weight he needs to be at.
 
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butchna said:
Yeah...we'll disagree. Won't be the first. :wink2: To me, "projects" aren't high school players needing some physical development to play the SAME POSITION in college. And the 3 star rating is irrelevant. See Orlando Brown to refute both.
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Orlando Brown was 380 and his GPA wouldn’t work for an SEC school. He came in gigantic and with terrible acedemics. Very much a project.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
I think he was recruited as a TE even after his second ACL tear. However, when he arrived, he had lost a lot of his speed and agility and hey tried to beef him up and use him as an OT.
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He needs to be a a blocking TE and not a T... Was not a pretty site watching him play RT
 
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KBVol said:
Was he? They very quickly identified him as a player to beef up and slide down to tackle. Not sure that wasn’t the plan from Day 1. Brooks seemed to more fit mold that the previous staff seemed to love, of getting undersized guys at OT and putting a ton of weight on them. Tatum, Niehaus, Brooks and eventually Antonutti.
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That’s what our OL got ***** slapped all year, little popcorn farts trying to block growed ass men...Brooks should be move to TE to help block and Antonutti should as well. Carving and Johnson I think cam help but the other two are a waste of a scholly...so is the TE from Knoxville. Can’t wait until Pruitt can set the board and go get them.
 
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three-star tight end glenn beal of john curtis christian school in river ridge, la., still appears to be a legitimate option for tennessee. He once was scheduled to spend the final weekend before signing day visiting florida, but he didn’t make the trip to gainesville, fla., and the vols now are believed to be battling ole miss, texas a&m and alabama for him. While texas a&m remains the favorite to land beal on the 247sports crystal ball, sources have indicated that the aggies optimism recently has faded a bit, and tennessee remains one of the top contenders for him. Ole miss now has emerged as a legitimate threat, while alabama also could be a major contender if it ends up having room for him. But it still looks entirely possible that tennessee could land beal.
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